Squeaking Geese - no parasites

[Wildcrafter]

Your Oxine can be used to sanitize the bedding in their house I use for spraying down my roosts also so it won’t go to waste. I’m sorry it didn’t work hope the echinacea does

Oh yes, I'm keeping it. I put it in their drinking water. The article suggested 1/8 tsp per gallon. Plus I'll use it quarterly in the chicken coop and goose hut.

 

[Goosebaby]

If you change your mind about the Tylosin you can purchase it without a prescription in powder form https://birdpalproducts.com/products/tylosin-powder-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=2b1e7ad05&_ss=r

You‘ll need 12 ml syringes to administer it orally. Don’t bother mixing it in their water, it’s extremely bitter and they won’t drink it.
Dosage is 40 mg per kg, twice daily.
Dosage can be as low as 10mg per kg but from my personal experience it isn’t effective in geese at a dosage lower than 40mg per kg twice daily.

If you don’t have a gram scale to measure it exactly I can show you how much to put in a syringe if need be.


Baytril is something else you could try https://birdpalproducts.com/products/enrofloxacin-10-liquid-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=df4d5cc8c&_ss=r
Dosage is 0.05 ml per pound.

If your birds do have a fungal infection antibiotics should not be used unless absolutely necessary as they can worsen the infection. However it is difficult and costly to confirm. Asper can be sneaky and mimic symptoms of various diseases for awhile which makes it easy to mistake for another illness, but on the other hand from my own experience because of that it can easily become the “boogie man” of avian diseases, where everything appears to be asper.

High pitched coughs in my geese are usually a result of a secondary lower respiratory effect from an intestinal illness or a bacterial upper respiratory infection.

My gander Thor had confirmed asper and passed away from heart failure as a result of side effects of itraconazole. He had a high pitched cough but it had a weird pitch. His normal voice had also altered and had strange muted nasally pitch to it. Before that his symptoms were extremely non specific, his appetite wasn’t great, he wasn’t interested in eating, he was subdued and not really enthusiastic or excitable about anything, besides that there wasn’t anything that stood out.

 

[Wildcrafter]

If you change your mind about the Tylosin you can purchase it without a prescription in powder form https://birdpalproducts.com/products/tylosin-powder-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=2b1e7ad05&_ss=r

You‘ll need 12 ml syringes to administer it orally. Don’t bother mixing it in their water, it’s extremely bitter and they won’t drink it.
Dosage is 40 mg per kg, twice daily.
Dosage can be as low as 10mg per kg but from my personal experience it isn’t effective in geese at a dosage lower than 40mg per kg twice daily.

If you don’t have a gram scale to measure it exactly I can show you how much to put in a syringe if need be.


Baytril is something else you could try https://birdpalproducts.com/products/enrofloxacin-10-liquid-for-birds?_pos=1&_sid=df4d5cc8c&_ss=r
Dosage is 0.05 ml per pound.

If your birds do have a fungal infection antibiotics should not be used unless absolutely necessary as they can worsen the infection. However it is difficult and costly to confirm. Asper can be sneaky and mimic symptoms of various diseases for awhile which makes it easy to mistake for another illness, but on the other hand from my own experience because of that it can easily become the “boogie man” of avian diseases, where everything appears to be asper.

High pitched coughs in my geese are usually a result of a secondary lower respiratory effect from an intestinal illness or a bacterial upper respiratory infection.

My gander Thor had confirmed asper and passed away from heart failure as a result of side effects of itraconazole. He had a high pitched cough but it had a weird pitch. His normal voice had also altered and had strange muted nasally pitch to it. Before that his symptoms were extremely non specific, his appetite wasn’t great, he wasn’t interested in eating, he was subdued and not really enthusiastic or excitable about anything, besides that there wasn’t anything that stood out.

Thank you so much. I am sorry for the loss of your gander. That's very sad.
I shall let you know if I need help with the measuring if I end up using the Tylosin. I really appreciate the wisdom! I'm going to try several rounds of the echinacea and spilanthes and see how it goes. Spilanthes has the same alkamides as echinacea.

 

[Wildcrafter]

Hello all! Here's an update on my geese. As I stated, I didn't think that the oxine was doing anything, but I may be retracting that. I fogged them 3x a day for 6 days. I noticed the gander was beginning to have a bit of eye irritation directly after, so I stopped at 6 days. I had noticed that the squeaking was even more pronounced and frequent, and lost a bit of heart. Now I'm wondering if that was what some people call a "healing crisis." After a few days to rest from that treatment, I started them on echinacea and spilanthes tincture - .8 ml once a day. 4 days on, 3 days off. Duncan and Daisy are remarkable patient with me as I've been administering their meds.
Today marked the end of the second round. I have heard no squeaking or head shaking for over a week now, and their poops have returned to looking like compost sausages instead of runny mucus.
I'm cautiously optimistic. I am going to do 5 rounds of the echinacea/spilanthes blend.
I so appreciate everyone's input - that was so valuable to me. Thank you.

 

[Miss Lydia]

That is great news !! I think you should keep on the way you are since you have seen such improvement out of them.

 

[Wildcrafter]

That is great news !! I think you should keep on the way you are since you have seen such improvement out of them.

I agree, thank you! I plan on 3 more rounds of the echinacea/spilanthes, but may go beyond that to be sure to do 3 months. I think that would be prudent.

 

[Lauraduck]

My vet has been amazing and
has also bonded with dasher
The zoo’s use this meds on their birds
Way cheaper too
It cost me 750 for meds the first time
Second time she had done research as well as another vet at the office was doing a program at the Calgary zoo
She got the info and brought it back to my vet.
This round cost me 30 dollars and cured it faster

Hi, I just found this thread. My duck is currently at the vet with what I suspect is aspergillosis. We're waiting on the culture results to get a proper diagnosis, which will take about a week. He currently has her on Terbinafine and antibiotics.
How long did it take your duck to clear aspergillosis with the Terbinafine? Just trying to get an idea of what might be ahead. Thanks!!

 

[Miss Lydia]

Hi, I just found this thread. My duck is currently at the vet with what I suspect is aspergillosis. We're waiting on the culture results to get a proper diagnosis, which will take about a week. He currently has her on Terbinafine and antibiotics.
How long did it take your duck to clear aspergillosis with the Terbinafine? Just trying to get an idea of what might be ahead. Thanks!!

@New duck mommy 2021

 

[New duck mommy 2021]

Hi, I just found this thread. My duck is currently at the vet with what I suspect is aspergillosis. We're waiting on the culture results to get a proper diagnosis, which will take about a week. He currently has her on Terbinafine and antibiotics.
How long did it take your duck to clear aspergillosis with the Terbinafine? Just trying to get an idea of what might be ahead. Thanks!!

Took her 1 month with that one

 

[Jen fluffy]

Thank you so much for this wealth of information!
No voice change, no weight loss. Some mucus in the poop, but not always.
No foaming from eyes or gurgling in their bellies.

They are free to sleep outside or on straw bedding in their little hut. They usually sleep outside. I check the straw every day when I change their water and take out the wet/poopy straw and add fresh as needed.

I got a sample of their poop tested and it showed no parasites. No giardia, either.

Their water buckets are: 1 one gallon and 1 two gallons. Fresh every day and large enough to submerge their heads.

Feed is from a local outfit that grows and grinds their own feed. Pea, wheat, soy. It's a grower mash that has a higher protein content as I also feed the chickens that feed and we have some 4 month olds and also I tend to go with a higher protein content here in North Idaho to keep their engines running.

I started mixing my anti parasite tincture in with their feed along with some oregano oil. The anti parasite tincture is made with herbs that are also antimicrobial. I've been doing this for the last 4 days, and have noticed less squeaking, but not a full resolution.

I'm letting them out a few days a week to roam the farmlet and dig up some roots as it's been a mild winter here.

It's so much easier to treat chickens than geese, I'm finding.

Yeah I find it easier with chickens too because I can put water in their Coop and that's all they have where I could put doxycycline or oregano whatever but with Geese I have so many pools and then they have a 5 gallon horse bucket that they love cuz it catches Rainwater and mine are doing the same like sneezing no burgling no watery eyes last year a breeder that I had bought supposedly two females from as babies both ended up males so she let me trade one of the males for a female and I noticed her squeaking after she got here and now it's kind of goes through the circuit and even my youngest news has it now and two of my teenagers so I put poultry booster and human liquid vitamin B in their 5 gallon bucket and I put some Vicks Vapor Epsom salts in there big wool which then I thought said don't drink it or eat it but they all seem fine so I'm betwixt what to do too I also got a couple of my Shaklee vitamin B and my youngest one ate it as soon as I threw it out like a tree and then one of my teenagers ate it and the one that's squeaking wouldn't eat it so I ended up putting it in one of the water dishes where the chickens can drink too everybody gets over it so I know when you try to do things or organically they say not to use antibiotics because the strong ones will live and the weak ones will call themselves out and I've never had anybody passed from this but I'm like you I'd like to know what it is hope yours are better!