St. John's Wort

[chicknmania]

The Rooster Booster premium with extra K and B?

 

[casportpony]

The Rooster Booster premium with extra K and B?

It's the stuff that TSC sells.

-Kathy

 

[chooks4life]

Lost another to Marek's. She was much better after worming and vitamins, though I bet that had nothing to do with her getting better for a few weeks.

-Kathy

Sorry to hear it. It's an ugly disease. If you're seeing improvements with anything, there must be a reason. If it was a fluke you wouldn't be seeing it happen time and time again and I seem to recall you posting before about them perking up after worming.

Sorry for your loss.

Weirdly, our chick was better after deworming, too. She had been just weak and lying down a lot, having trouble keeping up with her mother and sibs. After the deworming, she was running around like normal for a few days. It was just about ten days ago that she started limping again, and downhill from there. No idea how deworming could make any difference, but it is weirdly coincidental.

B vitamins might have had some effect for the better, if you were giving your hen those. I was going to try to start Peanut on a poultry BVitamin mix they have at the mill....

She has improved only slightly so far, with the Hypericum. Yesterday she got up and walked to her water. I was surprised, as her right leg does not work well. But since then she
has kind of leveled out again.

B vitamins for sure would help in greater dose since healing depends on them to a heavy extent. The worming I'm not sure about, I suspect maybe that wormer's effects on the gut, or maybe just its chemical makeup, might make the 'habitat' inhospitable for a bit to something contributing to killing the bird, since it seems death is often due to an avalanche of opportunistic diseases not just the main obvious cause.

Good luck.

 

[casportpony]

Quote: This was the same hen I posted about way back.

-Kathy

 

[chicknmania]

It's the stuff that TSC sells.

-Kathy

So. did you try her with the Hypericum or SJW?

 

[casportpony]

 
It's the stuff that TSC sells.

-Kathy

So.  did you try her with the Hypericum or SJW? 

Not on the hen that died.

-Kathy

 

[chicknmania]

I just re-read my posts with Sparkle, the pullet we treated for a neurological issue (we didnt' know if Marek's or what but she had the symptoms). It took her a week before she showed reallly significant improvement with the Hypericum, although she showed enough improvement by day three that we took her off it for a day. It took her about eight days before we knew it was making a significant difference. By two weeks, she was ready to go back with the flock. The following year (2014) she raised a family. She died shortly after that, due to Capillary Worm infestation. We had a necropsy done on her to determine that. I wish I had thought to specifically ask the State vet about signs of Marek's...I didn't, I guess because I was distracted by the worm problem and didn't even really remember the Marek's.. However, they did not mention signs of any lesions or any suspicions of Marek's....and I think they would have.

Now, she might not have had Marek's to begin with. But I think it was. Her symptoms were identical to the symptoms Peanut developed. Peanut is not doing as well, but the premium vitamins seem to be making some difference, she is brighter, and she bit my son this morning when we were trying to give her the Hypericum. However, maybe we shouldn't be giving her vitamins? I don't know if they would interfere with the Hypericum, or not....

 

[chicknmania]

Also, just in case it helps someone, after we took Sparkle off the Hypericum as she was improving, we continued to treat her with Curcumin with Bioperene. That stuff's awful because it's a big horse capsule and they're supposed to eat a lot of it to help...and they don't like it but at the time I did think it was helping. We gave it to her on cantaloupe, among other things.

 

[casportpony]

Coccidiosis and damage from worms can cause paralysis that look's like Marek's. I know of at least two people that suspected Marek's and their necropsies were negative for it, but confirmed the causes of death were due to worms in one, coccidiosis in the other.

-Kathy

 

[chicknmania]

Well maybe that's what it was, but she recovered from the neuro symptoms and we were not treating her for worms or cocci, and we didn't for some time after that. So if she had that much damage from worms and/ or cocci, and we weren't treating her for them, to me it seems unusual that she would have lived uneventfully and symptom free of anything after we finished her treatment for the neuro condition, continued to lay eggs, go broody, and raise babies, appear happy, healthy, and running with the flock, for a year after that, including surviving the Polar Vortex and one of the worst winters we've had here, all while having that severe of a worm or cocci infestation????