Standard Cornish vs. Cornish-X

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Then it needs to be fixed.

I think you guys are doing great and making an important step toward a more sustainable system. As long as you are raising and selling your birds humanely and locally, that is a very important step in the right direction.

Here is how I see the big picture...

Sustainability is the only chance for the survival of our species. Either we live in such a way that our environment can be sustained, or we perish. If the commercial setting doesn't become sustainable, then the commercial setting will fail.

But there are degrees of sustainability. I see your system as much more sustainable than industrial agriculture. But assuming you only raise birds on your farm (I don't know if you do or not), then your system is not as sustainable as Polyface, Joel Salatin's farm, where full advantage is taken of the resources available on the farm by running multiple species over the same acreage. Like vacuums, nature abhors a monoculture. Over the long term they breed disease and parasites.

And on the road to sustainability, the aforementioned Nature's Harmony Farm is farther along than Polyface, since they do not import their birds every season and instead rely on heritage breeds of multiple species. They are the future of farming and the showcase of sustainability.

I still do not believe the CX or the system that makes it available is sustainable. But once again, sustainability isn't even my number one priority. Humane treatment of the animals in my care is. So, even if I thought the CX were sustainable, I still would not raise them because I don't believe it is humane for my personal code of ethicss (important that you note that phrase) for me to do so.

And lastly... no, I did not call you. That would likely be my good friend Al who lives very close to me, and who is working on a very similar project to your own and in fact once told you so when discussing it in a thread. I think he even said in that thread he was going to call you.

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I say all of this fully realizing that my own life is one about degrees of sustainability. I consider a sustainable lifestyle, like a sustainable economy or agricultural system, to be more a journey than a destination. Just as I consider some farms and some livestock to be more sustainable than others, I fully confess there are many who live a lifestyle more sustainable than my own. I am working on it, getting a little bit closer every day, but I have by no means arrived.

After all, I own a computer.
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You just come off way too strong sometimes I think.... not really sure how to take you. But I'm learning.

I agree... it does need fixed. I'm working on attempting to do my part. But I'm not going to live like a caveman either...
 
I've actually really enjoyed reading this thread. I'm completely new to chickens, and wanted to raise them for meat our first year, and then maybe get a few layers. I had pretty much settled on Jumbo Cornish X, from McMurray, but I got really concerned reading a lot of the negative things about them, and high mortality rates. I ended up getting 14 Jumbo Cornish X, and 12 Cornish Roasters....I don't even know what the difference is really, but I just got so concerned about that darn "X"...that they would all die or something. Hopefully I'm as successful with them all as you all have been with your meat chicks. I'm only getting 27 chicks, and I stay home with my kiddos, so I imagine they will be quite pampered...

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to write such informative (and opinionated!) posts...it really is how us knew chick Mom's and Dad's can learn...
 
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I too have enjoyed this thread and have learned from it. I got into chickens for the sole purpose of raising my own meat birds. I, like Buster am wanting to keep, breed, and hatch my own chicks. I think I may try some cornish X just to say I have. Who knows, I might like them. I now have standard cornish and marans and have that cross in the bator now.
 
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You don't have to. I think you need to read up more on sustainability. It isn't about living in a cave.

Here is a good site that I very highly recommend. It is an excellent forum on living a more self sufficient and sustainable lifestyle. I like it even better than this one.

I know linking to other forums tends to be frowned upon, but I think this one might be okay.

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I'm sure you will do just fine. It isn't likely they will just start keeling over or anything. They aren't that bad.

Well, not quite anyway.
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Seriously, most of them will likely make it fine. Maybe all of them. Just follow Brunty's and Jaku's advice on feeding and care and it will be smooth sailing, I'm sure.
 
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My car wasn't made locally, either. I have looked everywhere for one manufactured here in southwest Oklahoma and the closest I could get to it was the tires.

And those were made from oil.

I'm such a fraud.

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Few, if any of us, gets absolutely everything from local sources. That doesn't make reducing the supply circle any less valid. I only buy a car, (used, I can't afford a new one, and not sure I'd buy one if I could. My '98 Suzy wagon gets 35 MPG.) or a computer once every few years (this one in 2003). I buy food all the time. Less, over time, as I produce more of my own. To me, that makes it more important to obtain locally. Likewise with anything else I buy a lot of.

Jeff, I hope you succeed in your goal of making Cornish X sustainable. The way they're usually raised, they are not. My hens I mentioned before made it about a year and half before they started dying. I knew nothing about them at the time, so I'm sure yours will do better than that. But don't you find it ironic that you're basically trying to get Cornish X's to act and live like heritage/dual purp birds? Why not just raise red broilers, they're meaty enough, less than CX, but more than most DP's, butcher at 12 weeks, active foragers, and you can keep them around, as they're naturally healthy and will easily live a normal lifespan, like a DP? I'm considering trying that myself, and keep the best ones to re-breed, and hope I get a sustainable, re-producible stable strain, eventually.
 
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Thanks for your comments and for laughing at our adventures. Glad we can keep you amused :) The only thing I'd like for you to consider is that we determined it was far more environmentally friendly to make one delivery per month to 75 people where they live in our CSA plan than to have 75 people drive 40-70 cars 2 1/2 hours to where we live. You don't have to agree of course, but we actually did make the decision that we thought was most environmentally responsible. The same concept applies if/when we participate in a farmers market in Athens or Atlanta...customers are already there, so we take the goods to them. End result, one vehicle makes the long journey, not many.

Tim
Nature's Harmony Farm
 
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