Standard Cornish vs. Cornish-X

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My car wasn't made locally, either. I have looked everywhere for one manufactured here in southwest Oklahoma and the closest I could get to it was the tires.

And those were made from oil.

I'm such a fraud.

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Few, if any of us, gets absolutely everything from local sources. That doesn't make reducing the supply circle any less valid. I only buy a car, (used, I can't afford a new one, and not sure I'd buy one if I could. My '98 Suzy wagon gets 35 MPG.) or a computer once every few years (this one in 2003). I buy food all the time. Less, over time, as I produce more of my own. To me, that makes it more important to obtain locally. Likewise with anything else I buy a lot of.

Jeff, I hope you succeed in your goal of making Cornish X sustainable. The way they're usually raised, they are not. My hens I mentioned before made it about a year and half before they started dying. I knew nothing about them at the time, so I'm sure yours will do better than that. But don't you find it ironic that you're basically trying to get Cornish X's to act and live like heritage/dual purp birds? Why not just raise red broilers, they're meaty enough, less than CX, but more than most DP's, butcher at 12 weeks, active foragers, and you can keep them around, as they're naturally healthy and will easily live a normal lifespan, like a DP? I'm considering trying that myself, and keep the best ones to re-breed, and hope I get a sustainable, re-producible stable strain, eventually.

LOL.... well ironic yes. But economically I wouldn't be able to do it I don't think. By the time I do everything and need the mass amount of breeders to produce the chicks I need then it may not be economical to do so. I'm also seasonal, and I would have to maintain that breeding stock throughout the winter... most places hatch year round or for as long as they can.

It's more just to see how these birds really are beyond their expected 8 weeks. I've almost tripled their lifespan, so far by not doing all that much. I believe my long term goals would be able to produce a bird that was able to procreate and offer them for sale for people wanting just a small flock of 10-15. That would be very economical for a someone to do, also it's easier to take care of 15 birds in the winter compared to about a hundred or so.

I like to raise chickens too.... LOL... it's nothing more than a project to have a little fun. If I do stumble across something that I like, I will use it. However if I don't, I'm sure someone else could use the information or breeding stock from my little experiment. Plus not to mention, I'm too stubborn not to prove the expectations of these birds do not have to stop at 8 weeks.

I don't know... thanks for the good luck...
 
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Thanks for your comments and for laughing at our adventures. Glad we can keep you amused :) The only thing I'd like for you to consider is that we determined it was far more environmentally friendly to make one delivery per month to 75 people where they live in our CSA plan than to have 75 people drive 40-70 cars 2 1/2 hours to where we live. You don't have to agree of course, but we actually did make the decision that we thought was most environmentally responsible. The same concept applies if/when we participate in a farmers market in Athens or Atlanta...customers are already there, so we take the goods to them. End result, one vehicle makes the long journey, not many.

Tim
Nature's Harmony Farm

That's hypocritical to me, you frown on big business who do the same. That's like Tyson saying they are shipping 42,000 lbs of chicken nuggets to the local grocery store so they can have 1 truck in transit...
 
Tyson couldn't be as sustainable as Tim and Liz if they sold their chicken nuggets on site.

One guy in Food Inc. said he travels several hundred miles each way to buy his food from Polyface. It would be much better if he bought it from a more local source, but it is difficult for farmers to control where their customers come from.

Most successful sustainable farms operate the way Harmony and Polyface do, by delivering some of their foods to CSAs a relatively short distance away. It does make more sense for one vehicle to make that trip than many. With folks like Tyson, it is quite possible to buy an Arkansas chicken in a Sams Club in California. That is nothing at all like what Tim and Liz are doing.
 
In that pic on Natures Harmony Farms web site; are they packing or unpacking chicks into a shipping box?

lol, all in fun, just had to join in the teasing.
 
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The original question for all of those who forgot:

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Has everyone gone mad??? This thread should have stopped at pg. 2. All this "he does it better" crap is getting old. Start a different thread on food miles if you want. Heck, this isn't even the right forum for half of this discussion.

The question quoted was answered and now we are talking about tyson's chicken nuggets v/s taking a whole bird to a market
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Sustainability is largely about scale, Jeff. That is why local economies are so important. If you have a vibrant local economy, not only is the eco-footprint smaller, but a local economy is more economically sustainable than the larger one. The more local the sale, the better. If the larger economy collapses (it will), and you have weak local economy, then you have many more problems than if you have a vibrant local economy. The goal is to shrink both the carbon footprint and the area miles of the economy you are dealing with. It is better for me to buy an items grown or manufactured in my home town than from across the county, better from my county than from Oklahoma City, and better from OKC than from New York City.

One of the problems with shipping food hundreds or thousands of miles (scale) is the carbon footprint that brings with it. The other is the weakening of the local economy.

Two books I want to recommend on local economies and especially local foods...

Animal, Vegetable, Miracle: a year of food life , by Barbara Kingsolver.

Deep economy: the wealth of communities and the durable future, by Bill McKibben.
 
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It all comes back to the subject heading, CARS. You can't talk about CX and its strengths and weaknesses without talking about sustainability, and you can't talk about sustainability without talking about local economies. It is all interconnected.

The CX is not a sustainable bird because it must be shipped in every season. Well, the question about the need to travel in order to sell a more sustainable bird like the standard Cornish is valid counterargument that needs a response.
 
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