Standard of Perfection

[Chris09]

I have a British Standaed. If my Reds ever started to meet their Standard I'd have to cull the flock & start over. They wouldn't place here anymore.

From what I seen on line some of there Reds look like our production red and there Rock are not much better.

Chris

 

[3riverschick]

I have a British Standaed. If my Reds ever started to meet their Standard I'd have to cull the flock & start over. They wouldn't place here anymore.

What don't you like about it, NYREDS?
Thanks,
Karen

 

[NYREDS]

What don't you like about it, NYREDS?
Thanks,
Karen

It's not a question of what I like or don't like. The British Standard for Rhode Island Reds is different from the American Standard. Birds bred to their Standard would not do well in shows here. Likewise, my Reds would not do well in a show in England for the same reason; our Standards differ.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

Which is what my point has been on the Orpingtons. The UK Orpington is a beautiful bird! However, it does not meet our Standard. Raise whatever you want in your own backyard. A Blue Bellied, Muffed, Bearded, Tufted, Crested, Booted Naked Neck. But if it does not the SOP then it will be disqualified at an American poultry show.

Owning a flock of UK Orpingtons or a flock of hatchery Barred Rocks will not preserve an American Heritage Breed. I have seen the Mohawk line of the RIR. They are spectacular! No other "line" of Reds can compare.

I currently own a beautiful pair of Buff Orpingtons. They look just like a Buff Orpington: type, color etc. However, this pair is about half the size of my Exhibition Orpingtons. This pair is from a hatchery. I keep them so folks can see first hand the differences. You should see the look on their faces when folks see these side by side in a county fair. When we have time, we plan on taking a new photo of our three types of Buff Orpingtons to compare them: SOP, hatchery and bantam.

Maybe what we need on the RIR is a similar photo comparison. That would allow folks to say, "Oh! That's what your saying. Now I understand."

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[3riverschick]

It's not a question of what I like or don't like. The British Standard for Rhode Island Reds is different from the American Standard. Birds bred to their Standard would not do well in shows here. Likewise, my Reds would not do well in a show in England for the same reason; our Standards differ.

Hi NYREDS,
Oh, I thought we were talking about BPC vs APA Sussex Standards That was what I was asking about. I haven't really studied the RIR Standards for both Clubs.
Best,
Karen

 

[NYREDS]

Hi NYREDS,
Oh, I thought we were talking about BPC vs APA Sussex Standards That was what I was asking about. I haven't really studied the RIR Standards for both Clubs.
Best,
Karen

I stated Reds in my post but it doesn't matter what breed. In terms of the Sussex if the British Standard differs from ours then birds bred to their Standard wouldn't do well here. It's not about what I like or what anyone likes. It's about what the relevant Standard calls for.

 

[3riverschick]

I stated Reds in my post but it doesn't matter what breed. In terms of the Sussex if the British Standard differs from ours then birds bred to their Standard wouldn't do well here. It's not about what I like or what anyone likes. It's about what the relevant Standard calls for.

Personally, since breed type is so closely aligned with productive virtues in the Sussex, I don't see any problem with either APA or British Poultry Club Standards meeting APA requirements. I've studied them both thru decades since pre-1920. Both the Standards and the expositions written about both of them. Just not a problem in Sussex fowl. There are some differences in wordage between APA and BPC, however, if one studies the life and times of the eras, one sees the APA is saying the same thing as the Brits, just with different verbage because of the birds England sent over to be judged.
For instance, the description of the hackle in the Light Sussex. When it was taken up by the APA, England was having a problem with a fad for super hackles which Outram and other veteran breeders were trying to bring back to center. Never-the-less, the APA describes the hackle as a black feather surrounded by a white lacing. While the BPC describes a white feather with a black stripe running down to, but not thru the end of the white edging surrounding the feather. At first, it seems like the APA is describing a laced feather and the BPC a striped feather. Two different things. And indeed it reads that way. But what the APA was really seeing was English super hackle on a striped feather. With that in mind, it s easy to breed the proper English Light Sussex hackle and know the APA will find it satisfactory.
Best,
Karen

 

[stoopid]

I see you woke the thread up again, but I am still wondering if anyone has heard from Allen Miller?

 

[3riverschick]

I see you woke the thread up again, but I am still wondering if anyone has heard from Allen Miller?

Hi stoopid,
I don't think we will hear from him again. So frustrating, he actually knew W.H. Card, a famous poultryman
and author whose works I have been studying. I had so wanted to talk to him about the man and his work,
sad sigh. Oh boogers!
Best,
karen

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

Sad when old timers are lost to us. Hopefully someone will post what happened. On another thread we learned Therapydoglady passed away yesterday. Have not heard anything about Mr. Miller.