Stella's Social Club

[kathyinmo]

What is the difference between Salmonella and E. coli?

Salmonella and E.coli are different types of bacteria.
Salmonella

Salmonella is the name of a group of bacteria. In the United States, it is the most common cause of food-borne illness. Salmonella occurs in raw poultry, eggs, beef, and sometimes on unwashed fruit and vegetables.
Symptoms include fever, diarrhea, abdominal cramps and headache. Symptoms usually last 4 - 7 days. Most people get better without treatment. It can be more serious in the elderly, infants and people with chronic conditions. If Salmonella gets into the bloodstream, it can be serious, or even life-threatening. The usual treatment is antibiotics. Read more about Salmonella infections. (MedlinePlus.gov)
E.coli

E. coliis the name of a type of bacteria that lives in your intestines. Most types of E. coli are harmless. However, some types can make you sick and cause diarrhea. One type causes travelers' diarrhea. The worst type of E. coli causes bloody diarrhea, and can sometimes cause kidney failure and even death. These problems are most likely to occur in children and in adults with weak immune systems.
You can get E. coli infections by eating foods containing the bacteria. To help avoid food poisoning and prevent infection, handle food safely. Cook meat well, wash fruits and vegetables before eating or cooking them, and avoid unpasteurized milk and juices. You can also get the infection by swallowing water in a swimming pool contaminated with human waste. Read more about E. coli infections. (MedlinePlus.gov)

 

[drumstick diva]

Mary I don't have to study I started grooming dogs at 14, self taught, bred show cockers for a number of years. Worked for a top dog handler (neighbor) who showed several breeds. My first dog show at 12, my first article published in Dog World(then a top dog magazine) at 12, I wrote for a few other magazines and was a feature writer for one. At dog shows you quickly become knowledgeable of the other breeds. Dog shows became increasing expensive, along with everything that goes with it.

When I have a interest in something I try to learn as much as I can.

I hybridized African Violets for awhile, then shifted to Streptocarpus - a blooming plant with long strap like leaves. My first "litter" produced a Best in Show winner and was a totally unique color blend blossom. Since then I have many variegated leaf streps, color changing blossoms and scented plants. I am also one of many working to reduce size. Plants do not crow, don't run amuck in the neighborhood, have predators that bug spray can eliminate. You can have males and females though most can be either - some can be neither. Oooh that rhymnes.

I do not have chickens because I cannot have them here. I think everybody on BYC knows that because you keep reminding them.

I don't resent you for having everything - I have health problems too, you seem to resent me for having nothing. Stella doesn't seem to care but you do . If you want to vote me off this island I will go. There are other threads where I don't get the" passive-aggressive" treatment. The people on here are very nice and I will miss them but, some show up on other threads and I can touch bases with them there.

I have a sense of humor but, every so often you feel the need to hit (she has NO chickens)my vulnerable spot! I have held my feellings in check because you usually follow that with some apparent complement & then it begins all over again.

I may not have chickens but, I serve the BYC community in other ways and love it. It's your call

 

[kathyinmo]

I woke up this morning. Yes, I did. Glad I did, too.
These "allergy" symptoms began last night, after I spent the day outside - cleaned out a coop, etc. I took a couple Benadryl last night and still could not get to sleep until close to 3AM. The Benadryl did not seem to help my symptoms much. Peri-orbital edema - swollen puffy around the eyes. I have never had "allergies" before, other than when I got into some poison ivy a few years ago. So, what is the deal with this?

Today I went to the doctor. I got a shot and a script for prednisone. I am also to continue the Benadryl and alsoI am to take Zantac. These 2 meds are histamine inhibitors or antagonists, because we do not want any more histamine produced! (Histamine triggers the inflammatory response)

Anyway, if it gets any worse, I am to go to the ER. She said it could progress into a medical emergency if the edema continues and results in optic nerve compression.

Boy do I sympathize with folks who suffer with ptosis (drooping of the upper eyelid which may cause a decreased field of vision)!

 

[Eva2012]

Mary I don't have to study  I started grooming dogs at 14, self taught,  bred show cockers for a number of years. Worked for a top dog handler (neighbor) who showed several breeds.  My first dog show at 12, my first article published in Dog World(then a top dog magazine) at 12,  I wrote for a few other magazines and was a feature writer for one.  At dog shows you quickly become knowledgeable of the other breeds. Dog shows became increasing expensive, along with everything that goes with it.

When I have a interest in something I try to learn as much as I can.

I hybridized African Violets for awhile, then shifted to Streptocarpus  - a blooming plant with long strap like leaves.  My first "litter" produced a Best in Show winner and was a totally unique color blend blossom.  Since then I have many variegated leaf streps,  color changing blossoms and scented plants. I am also one of many working to reduce size.  Plants do not crow, don't run amuck in the neighborhood,  have predators that  bug spray can eliminate.   You can have males and females though most can be either - some can be neither.  Oooh that rhymnes.

I do not have chickens because I cannot have them here.  I think everybody on BYC knows that because you keep reminding them.

  I don't resent you for having everything - I have health problems too,  you seem to resent me for having  nothing.   Stella doesn't seem to care but you do .  If you want to vote me off this island I will go.   There are other threads where I don't  get the" passive-aggressive"  treatment.   The people on here are very nice and I will miss them  but, some show up on other threads and I can touch bases with them there.

I  have a sense of humor but, every so often you feel the need to hit (she has NO chickens)my vulnerable spot!  I have held my feellings in check because you usually follow that with some apparent complement  & then it begins all over again.

I may not have chickens but, I serve the BYC community in other ways and love it.  It's your call

Diva, you should not even need to explain yourself. You are a pillar on this thread and although I seldom take time to write, I read all your comments and enjoy them.
I am a certified food healing instructor and can tell you, all vitamins and most medicine is right in front of us, for all of us.

 

[ronott1]

Mary I don't have to study I started grooming dogs at 14, self taught, bred show cockers for a number of years. Worked for a top dog handler (neighbor) who showed several breeds. My first dog show at 12, my first article published in Dog World(then a top dog magazine) at 12, I wrote for a few other magazines and was a feature writer for one. At dog shows you quickly become knowledgeable of the other breeds. Dog shows became increasing expensive, along with everything that goes with it.

When I have a interest in something I try to learn as much as I can.

I hybridized African Violets for awhile, then shifted to Streptocarpus - a blooming plant with long strap like leaves. My first "litter" produced a Best in Show winner and was a totally unique color blend blossom. Since then I have many variegated leaf streps, color changing blossoms and scented plants. I am also one of many working to reduce size. Plants do not crow, don't run amuck in the neighborhood, have predators that bug spray can eliminate. You can have males and females though most can be either - some can be neither. Oooh that rhymnes.

I do not have chickens because I cannot have them here. I think everybody on BYC knows that because you keep reminding them.

I don't resent you for having everything - I have health problems too, you seem to resent me for having nothing. Stella doesn't seem to care but you do . If you want to vote me off this island I will go. There are other threads where I don't get the" passive-aggressive" treatment. The people on here are very nice and I will miss them but, some show up on other threads and I can touch bases with them there.

I have a sense of humor but, every so often you feel the need to hit (she has NO chickens)my vulnerable spot! I have held my feellings in check because you usually follow that with some apparent complement & then it begins all over again.

I may not have chickens but, I serve the BYC community in other ways and love it. It's your call

You are Great Diva!

Thanks for being a part of this thread.

 

[Eva2012]

Just had my first home grown chicken stew with lentils, vegies and CHICKEN!
Still so sad....and grateful to the nutrition from my flock.

 

[1muttsfan]

Eva, so sorry to hear about your birds. I can recall almost crying when I lost the 3 bantam Cochins that I spent over a year working on to a predator when I left the coop open one night - if I hadn't been so angry it would have been tears for sure.

 

[BlueWater29]

You are Great Diva!

Thanks for being a part of this thread.

X2

 

[BlueWater29]

Kathy, Sorry about your allergy. I hope you get better fast!

 

[chiqita]

UPDATE ON MY ISBAR SAGA:

Some of you were interested in the eventual outcome of my situation. I will make a quick recap for those not familiar.

I've had a breeding trio of Isbars since spring. All chicks hatch fine, and at about 2-3 weeks old stop eating and drinking, and then die. Probably 90% death rate. Very frustrating. The adult pen is moved in the yard once-twice per week, brooder and incubator properly disinfected, tried both regular and medicated feeds, treating for cocci, disinfecting eggs, all with no improvement. I was puzzled as the only conclusions I had were 1. genetic problems (but my rooster is from a different person than my hens so I didn't think this was likely) 2. some kind of infection that was vertically transmitted. From my research most yolk infections lead to death in less than a week.

I took 3 chicks an hour away to the state university testing lab. While waiting for the results, I began treating all the pens with Tetroxy HCA (tetracycline). By the time the results were back, my chicks were surviving again- about 80% survivability. OSU was very surprised that tetracycline worked as it is such a low level general antibiotic but they sent me the results and wished me luck. I finished treating the adults and all chicks that were hatched before the eggs were "clean" and then stopped treatment. Well in the last few weeks again my survivability rate has dropped, to about 40%. So I took the next step suggested by OSU and took a chicken and the lab results to a vet this morning. Finding a vet to see a chicken was a ride in itself....

OSU paperwork shows positive cultures for a strain of e. coli, with susceptibility to Baytril and several other antibiotics (OSU had recommended trying Baytril first). The vet said US vets are no longer allowed to treat poultry with Baytril, and the FDA is going after vets who prescribe it for poultry. Instead we are treating the adults with the other OSU recommendation, I can't remember the name but they listed it as TRIMETH/SULFA. In the vet's opinion, there is no question in his mind that my original hatching eggs carried this when I hatched them and it came from one of the Isbar breeders I got stock from. It is not a strain typically found in the soil which I had wondered about. He said the Tetroxy HCA only knocks bugs down so the bird's immune system can fight it, it doesn't usually kill something like this. He asked me to keep him updated in a few months as he is interested to know if this does the job. My only other option is to cull this batch of Isbars and start over.

Wow, interesting. I think I had one silkie hen ( they are all gone now due to a dog attack) that had the same thing. Maybe 2. I had deaths at 1-3 weeks over nothing constantly, at about that % of chicks. I was researching what antibiotic to give the silkie pen when the attack happened. I hope that the information helps!

Just lost 14 chickens today, including Toughy.


I accidentally left theJagd Terrier out over night - I am dogsitting for my room mate.
So I just got back from the butcher. I now have 30 pounds of chicken in the freezer.

I just sat down and am in tears.

At least I still have Eddy and another young rooster and my original girls except for the barred rock.

The loss just hit me....

And yes, the roommate is going.... but that's another story

I'm so sorry, I know how you feel. Its been 2 weeks and Im still seeing the bodies in my mind when I look at the yard. If I have any breeds left I can help you with rebuilding, let me know.

Mary I don't have to study I started grooming dogs at 14, self taught, bred show cockers for a number of years. Worked for a top dog handler (neighbor) who showed several breeds. My first dog show at 12, my first article published in Dog World(then a top dog magazine) at 12, I wrote for a few other magazines and was a feature writer for one. At dog shows you quickly become knowledgeable of the other breeds. Dog shows became increasing expensive, along with everything that goes with it.

When I have a interest in something I try to learn as much as I can.

I hybridized African Violets for awhile, then shifted to Streptocarpus - a blooming plant with long strap like leaves. My first "litter" produced a Best in Show winner and was a totally unique color blend blossom. Since then I have many variegated leaf streps, color changing blossoms and scented plants. I am also one of many working to reduce size. Plants do not crow, don't run amuck in the neighborhood, have predators that bug spray can eliminate. You can have males and females though most can be either - some can be neither. Oooh that rhymnes.

I do not have chickens because I cannot have them here. I think everybody on BYC knows that because you keep reminding them.

I don't resent you for having everything - I have health problems too, you seem to resent me for having nothing. Stella doesn't seem to care but you do . If you want to vote me off this island I will go. There are other threads where I don't get the" passive-aggressive" treatment. The people on here are very nice and I will miss them but, some show up on other threads and I can touch bases with them there.

I have a sense of humor but, every so often you feel the need to hit (she has NO chickens)my vulnerable spot! I have held my feellings in check because you usually follow that with some apparent complement & then it begins all over again.

I may not have chickens but, I serve the BYC community in other ways and love it. It's your call

We love you diva!