Stinky Pine Shavings?

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I'll respectfully dispute this statement. If this were true there are millions of chickens all over the world with respiratory failure.

Ammonia smell happens and the only way you know it happens is when you smell it....then you correct it. If you cannot smell it, then you don't know when to add fresh shavings, fluff the existing shavings and check the moisture content of your DL by grabbing a handful and feeling of it.

You don't have to remove your waterer from your coop...just place it up on cement blocks and out of the chips. Easy, peasy!

While I see your point, my point is: average person is 5' tall plus or minus and if you cam walk into your coop and smell ammonia at head level then your birds, standing at knee level, will be in a much higher concentration for a much longer period of time if they enjoy playing in their chips as mine do. Ventilation is key, yes, but catching an overabundance of ammonia at 3' high is much healthier than at 5' high.

Making a blanket statement that they will go into respiratory failure at ammonia levels at that high a concentration is patently false, IME. Have you ever really been on a farm? Ammonia smell is the fragrance you will most likely smell above all else. Chickens have been raised in that for thousands of years and I've never once, in all my life heard of any chickens going into respiratory failure over ammonia concentrates. Drive by any commercial broiler or layer house and see if you can't smell it from your car...and the birds still live. Millions of them survive to make it to your McNuggets.

Yeah...it isn't the best, but it does happen and birds do not go into respiratory failure over it. If they do, their systems were somehow already compromised.
 
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Check the construction of your waterer. The drill hole size is very specific - Trying to remember
the bit size (11/32) but check. Any other size bit will cause leaks.

I also used an extra rubber washer, as shown in the photo.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3179161

I made 2 waterers and both are leak-free.

Using multipurpose sand in the run is also a big help.

Good luck
 
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lol ok so if pine shavings are not good when wet, and moldy hay can kill a chicken (?) what IS recommended to keep the mud at a minimum.....ahh perhaps the net I have over the top of the front part of the kennel (keeps them in, but lets in the sun too) should be more of a rain block. hmm. ~a work in progress~ suggestions?
 
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While I see your point, my point is: average person is 5' tall plus or minus and if you cam walk into your coop and smell ammonia at head level then your birds, standing at knee level, will be in a much higher concentration for a much longer period of time if they enjoy playing in their chips as mine do. Ventilation is key, yes, but catching an overabundance of ammonia at 3' high is much healthier than at 5' high.

Making a blanket statement that they will go into respiratory failure at ammonia levels at that high a concentration is patently false, IME. Have you ever really been on a farm? Ammonia smell is the fragrance you will most likely smell above all else. Chickens have been raised in that for thousands of years and I've never once, in all my life heard of any chickens going into respiratory failure over ammonia concentrates. Drive by any commercial broiler or layer house and see if you can't smell it from your car...and the birds still live. Millions of them survive to make it to your McNuggets.

Yeah...it isn't the best, but it does happen and birds do not go into respiratory failure over it. If they do, their systems were somehow already compromised.

I never said respiratory failure, you did, I said lung damage, not the same thing. I would like to respectfully point out that asking have I ever been on a farm is down right rude. I don't need to be attacked for offering the simplest solution to the op's problem.
 
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Check the construction of your waterer. The drill hole size is very specific - Trying to remember
the bit size (11/32) but check. Any other size bit will cause leaks.

I also used an extra rubber washer, as shown in the photo.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3179161

I made 2 waterers and both are leak-free.
Good luck

They don't leak at the hole the water drips from the nipple and it sometimes gets stuck. The birds bump it and water drips and they miss some of the water. Not a construction issue. The holes are drilled right and threaded and taped so no leaks there. I have 2 different kinds and both leak some water sometimes.

Sand? Might help, but in a brooder that is still a lot of water dripping.​
 
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I cover the run with a tarp on rainy days.
I also use multipurpose sand- very easy to clean and sift out manure.
The birds also love dust bathing in the sand. I mix in wood ash, soil, and DE in an area they favor for bathing.
 
I never said respiratory failure, you did, I said lung damage, not the same thing.

I'm sorry...I shouldn't be so rude. I'm just saddened that someone is trying to scare a newbie by stating her chickens will sustain "lung damage"...how did you come up with that assessment? I could only conclude you'd never been on or lived on a farm if you imagined chickens sustained lung damage from ammonia odors. Have you experienced these wheezing, damaged chickens with your own eyes? If you have and can prove that was the source and there were no other mitigating factors, then I offer my sincere apologies.​
 
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Check the construction of your waterer. The drill hole size is very specific - Trying to remember
the bit size (11/32) but check. Any other size bit will cause leaks.

I also used an extra rubber washer, as shown in the photo.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3179161

I made 2 waterers and both are leak-free.
Good luck

They don't leak at the hole the water drips from the nipple and it sometimes gets stuck. The birds bump it and water drips and they miss some of the water. Not a construction issue. The holes are drilled right and threaded and taped so no leaks there. I have 2 different kinds and both leak some water sometimes.

Sand? Might help, but in a brooder that is still a lot of water dripping.

As pullets, mine would do that as well, but now that they are laying, the drips stopped.
Can't say why, other than maybe they're distracted by egg laying.
 
Woah. I didn't mean to cause a stir. :-(

I do have a nipple waterer in the run - so maybe I will just swap for now. This is the second time in 3 months I have had to clean out the pine shavings. :-(

How many concrete blocks would I need? And, I know this sounds REALLY dumb, so I will blame on my newbie-ness
1) what is DL?
2) How do the concrete blocks keep my floor dry? Wouldn't the water just drip down onto the pine?
3) I forgot my 3rd. It was a doozy of a dumb one - but my hubby keeps yapping in my ear and I lost my train of thought.

Thanks
 

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