Stop killing seramas!!!

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

I get what Thomas is saying-- it would be a shame to lose all of the weird, wonderful colors of Seramas to standardization. It would be nice if they could standardize for type and not color, but how would that be fair in poultry competitions when other breeds do have to be standardized for color? I don't have the answers but maybe in time breeders & associations will come up with something that maintains both points of view.

Exactly, exactly, exactly...
Seramas must be bred according to standards of perfection, but never for a specific color...
They will lose their magic.
Other breeds are created to have a specific color.
Seramas, greek crested and swedish flower have so wonderful color combinations.
Better to slaughter and eat them for gaining protein than to not accept them because of their color.

 

[EggSighted4Life]

The lack of standard is ONE thing that keeps me away from Serama.

It's nice to see the discussion and other perspectives though.

To me.. NO matter how many people breed towards a specific color and other standards... there will ALWAYS be lazy back yarder's that don't cull for ANY faults. Maybe you will eventually get Serama and and an EE version of Serama...

I'm with moonshiner on this one.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

I personally think they are killing the breed because they want them so upright with the big chest that they lack body copacity and therefore it constricts the organs. There is in fact research behind that. That’s why I breed for tribbles. Less upright and more of a round body to make room for organs to grow properly. And I love the color variety. They need to leave that alone cause that’s what makes seramas awesome.

I agree. This is happening to the malaysian type. The modern type (european or american) has a better fertility, egg production and not such an upright look.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

Standardizing the colors for an SOP doesn't mean weird and wonderful colors have to be lost. Breeders can still mix, match or create other colors.
Breeders are always working on different colors in a ton of breeds. Others are mixing colors in their pens just to get a variety or to see what they get.
Funny I would be the guy arguing on the side of standardizing and limiting colors of a breed for an association but I am showing that that also in no way has to limit them or lose them.
Everyone can breed for what they want and no one has to follow the associations blindly but without the associations you're not just going to lose all the possible colors you're going to lose the breed.

Have you finished law school?

 

[The Moonshiner]

I agree with you, but it does seem like standardizing colors in a breed that has traditionally had mixed colors will lead to the mixed colors losing out in preference to the standardized ones, whether it's sooner or later, if only specific, standard colors are allowed in shows. And especially with a breed where the tiny size is the main point, not specific coloring, I would be in favor of mixed colors (by which I mean colors that don't conform completely to any of the colors now known in the Standards) being allowed in shows, maybe with a different point system, so this characteristic of the breed can be preserved. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Who knows what will happen?

They would lose preference to the standard colors with some people but not to others.
If someone likes the mixed colors would a new standard convince them to cull everything they have and start over with approved colors only? I wouldn't and don't think many would.
Some people are also unaware that you can show birds that are non recognized colors. They are limited on how far they can go in the show but they can still be shown, win ribbons and get the public aware of new or interesting colors in different breeds.
You may not be able to win best of show but I've seen non recognized varieties draw lots of attention and be a big hit.

 

[Kessel23]

I just read through this and I don't even know what a serama is.

 

[Mitsos Lamprogiorgos]

I just read through this and I don't even know what a serama is.

The malaysian serama is the world's smallest chicken. Its body has a V shape.

Strains of Malaysian created the Modern, european in Europe, american in US.

 

[The Moonshiner]

Have you finished law school?

No. I don't have time for school.
To busy breeding all these non recognized color leghorns.

 

[BantyChooks]

I agree with you, but it does seem like standardizing colors in a breed that has traditionally had mixed colors will lead to the mixed colors losing out in preference to the standardized ones, whether it's sooner or later, if only specific, standard colors are allowed in shows. And especially with a breed where the tiny size is the main point, not specific coloring, I would be in favor of mixed colors (by which I mean colors that don't conform completely to any of the colors now known in the Standards) being allowed in shows, maybe with a different point system, so this characteristic of the breed can be preserved. Anyway, those are my thoughts. Who knows what will happen?

Nothing, probably. You almost need a court order to make the SOP change at all, lol!
Chantecler Fanciers International is currently trying to get the Buff variety sanctioned, but they're going to the ABA only right now because the APA has more difficult requirements. That's the general drift I got, anyway. It doesn't help that the LF counterpart has so few breeders. I'm almost thinking about switching from Partridge to buff just to help them out a bit. I hate switching breeds/varieties, though. It's a lot of time, money, and fried chicken.

It's an interesting discussion, though.

 

[Kessel23]

Oh, I have seen videos of those. They crow weird, their lungs must be very small.