Sumatra Thread!

[nicalandia]

I had two white sumatra cockerals that i got from my uncle but they were nowhere near the standard and had high tails, red combs, and short legs and backs.

if the white sumatra are recessive or dominant, they will have a hard time getting dark combs, white silkie breeders have this same issue, and they have Fibromelanotic(black skin gene) and their whites wont give them black combs

 

[raph]

Some one said on another thread said that there grandad had a white Sumatra who lived for over twenty years.

The oldest hen we have is a bout 8 or 9, she is a blue bell. I remember we got her and a leghorn and a speckled sussex hen. My dad let me and my brother have them when we moved, and I remember finding the leghorn with the skin on the back of her head taken of. My Sumatra rooster had lots of blood on his legs and spurs, I think the hen was attacked by a ferret but it doesn't explain the blood on my cockerel legs and spurs. Im 100% the cockerel didn't attack her. Not long after the hen died, we didn't know the cause but one morning the leghorn was laying in her food looking ill and my mum picked her up and she just died.

On the Christmas of that year my speckled Sussex hen was a killed by a ferret, it was Christmas morning and I walked in the shed thinking it would be nice to see my hen on Christmas morning but no she wasn't there and there was a ferret looking at me. I will never forget that, and the poor blue bell who was in with her was so scared.

It's odd when I see the blue bell it reminds me of all the divorce and everything, and its funny when me my mum and I left our family home, where my dad lives I wasn't very into the chicken. I had no knowledge of breeds or anything, and then I just got into them since 2010 and now I have a few different breeds and I'm aiming to breed show quality stock. So looking back I never knew I'd end up living in Ireland, I always used to think I would live at our family home for my whole life but you never know what life will throw at you.

But I think the divorce the move and the things I've learnt have made me twice the person.

I know I've completely digressed but, there's a bit about me.

 

[raph]

I agree

 

[ramirezframing]

Raph, yes, why are my results, that I document for myself in question? It is my flock. I have worked this flock for 5 plus years now. I know MY flock.

really???? We are going to discuss a 5% difference? I'm sure there is a margin of error that I am in.

A few times I have brought this up. EVERY time the same thing. NO ONE CARES what Sumatra's were when they were brought into America. The ONLY thing anyone care is what the std is. But by reading history we can see that Sumatra's were in many colors when "discovered". Yet everyone wants a trophy, so they breed to std.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. Breeding to STD is GREAT for a man made bird such as the RIR. They are a breed developed by man. Following that std makes sense. Now to offend everyone. Then I'll leave the thread forever. Taking a breed of chicken found in the wild in multiple colors, THEN chosing initially only ONE color as the std ruins the origins of the bird. Because at that point NO other color is acceptable to win a trophy. Therefore all "wrong" colors are killed. Only blacks were bred. "Off" color birds were eaten. This takes a breed and waters it down to one color. Do this for more than 100 years and suddenly the bird is no longer what it started out as. THIS is what I'm working to correct with MY flock. I am NOT trying to win a prize but to bring MY flock back to a closer resemblence to what the "original" Sumatra's were.

It saddens me that no one cares what Sumatra's originally were. Only thing that matters is having a perfect black. It saddens me that every time I bring it up I get attacked and told I'm WRONG with results I see from my own flock. Every one raises their OWN flock for their OWN reasons. I am annoyed that the way I chose to raise my flock and the results that I get are "wrong". Therefore I'm done.

Guys and girls enjoy your Sumatra's. Do with them what you will. They are your birds to raise as you see fit. Cross breed, breed them back, Idon't care as they are your birds. And I would NEVER question the results that you get from YOUR flock.

Take care. Outa here

I have read where the Sumatra were in different color (red breasted black) in the wild. But haven't found old pictures of a wild Sumatra, Stonykill (hoping you come peek at what is said) Do you have any idea what the wild type Sumatra looked like to breed towards that?? I would love to see some pictures if you have any.

 

[NYREDS]

Raph, yes, why are my results, that I document for myself in question? It is my flock. I have worked this flock for 5 plus years now. I know MY flock.

really???? We are going to discuss a 5% difference? I'm sure there is a margin of error that I am in.

A few times I have brought this up. EVERY time the same thing. NO ONE CARES what Sumatra's were when they were brought into America. The ONLY thing anyone care is what the std is. But by reading history we can see that Sumatra's were in many colors when "discovered". Yet everyone wants a trophy, so they breed to std.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. Breeding to STD is GREAT for a man made bird such as the RIR. They are a breed developed by man. Following that std makes sense. Now to offend everyone. Then I'll leave the thread forever. Taking a breed of chicken found in the wild in multiple colors, THEN chosing initially only ONE color as the std ruins the origins of the bird. Because at that point NO other color is acceptable to win a trophy. Therefore all "wrong" colors are killed. Only blacks were bred. "Off" color birds were eaten. This takes a breed and waters it down to one color. Do this for more than 100 years and suddenly the bird is no longer what it started out as. THIS is what I'm working to correct with MY flock. I am NOT trying to win a prize but to bring MY flock back to a closer resemblence to what the "original" Sumatra's were.

It saddens me that no one cares what Sumatra's originally were. Only thing that matters is having a perfect black. It saddens me that every time I bring it up I get attacked and told I'm WRONG with results I see from my own flock. Every one raises their OWN flock for their OWN reasons. I am annoyed that the way I chose to raise my flock and the results that I get are "wrong". Therefore I'm done.

Guys and girls enjoy your Sumatra's. Do with them what you will. They are your birds to raise as you see fit. Cross breed, breed them back, Idon't care as they are your birds. And I would NEVER question the results that you get from YOUR flock.

Take care. Outa here

OK-Bye

 

[NYREDS]

not the exact 1800's book I was looking for but here. http://books.google.com/books?id=8m...#v=onepage&q=wild sumatra jungle fowl&f=false

It in this book specifically mention a Blue bird. But it does mention the white feathers, which are predominant in a Blue roosters tail. Alos note that other colors were FOUND but a few idiot idealistic men decided that black was best.

Sumatra's were in the wild NOT ALL BLACK. We did not create these other colors. They are natural to the breed.

SMH. Stubborn, stubborn. Reading history is a good thing

There's at least one thing we can agree on, sort of. I think people with a different point of view than mine are idiots also.
That said, the fact that you found something that doesn't make sens written in an old book doesn't make it true. black x black doesn't produce 20% blue offspring. Not in Blue Andalusians & not in Blue Sumatras. Blue genetics are pretty well understood at this point.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Lets get this thread back on track... so anyone hatch anything this week? We had some duns and blacks hatch and also our first blue chick from a new bloodline. And I will also be getting 10-15 sumatras from a new bloodline this week to grow out and see how they compare.

 

[championsumatra]

I am hatching more sumatra's as well as some pnoneix eggs.

 

[moezamora]

Good job!

 

[chickletteSarge]

my last Sumatra chick died! getting a pair of games so I will hopefully have a broody soon! once I have one im hittin stony back up for another dz maybe 2 of his line! had a 50-50 hatch of blacks to blue! low hatch rate due to op error!!!