Sumatra Thread!

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

I got the British poultry standards 5th edition today, and the birds in it are beautiful.

I'm going to breed my RIR with a trio of light Sussex hens we have, as they are what makes money here in Ireland. I'm also going to invest in some RIR hens because they make a bit of money here as well.The RIR cockerel cross Light sussex hens makes what we call warrens, i think you guys call them gold sexlinks or some thing like that.

Personally I think Sid The Sumatra I posted pics of was looking great on the day I sold him, you can say his feathers weren't all long enough. But he was 1 year old so by the time he's 2 he will probably look great, but I'm not keeping any related stock so that why i sold him.
I also now have a clutch of 7 eggs in the sumatra's nest so when i have about 12 my bantam should go broody, so that's exciting.

Ralph..........the new bird looks nice...........did you say it's a rooster?

 

[terwelppoultry]

Boggy Bottom Bantams here on BYC has the blue bantams I believe.

Ok thanks

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I remember reading that someone was working on Dun bantams, who was it? How's your project going?

Also, we have some platinum bantam chicks which reminded me of you and your old platinum birds. I think next year we should be producing some good looking bantam duns.

 

[raph]

Sumatra
Large fowl

Origin:Asia
Classification:Light:Rare
Egg colour:White

General characteristics:Male
Carriage:Straight and upright in front, pheasant-like. giving a proud and stately appearance.
Type:Body rather long, very firm and muscular. broad,full and rounded breast. Back of medium length, broad at shoulders, very slightly tapering to tail. Saddle hackle very long and flowing. Stern narrower than shoulders, but firm and compact. Strong, long and large wings, carried with fronts lightly raised, the feathers folded very closely together, not carried drooping or over the back. Long drooping tail with large quantity of sickles and coverts, which should rise above the stern and then fall streaming behind, nearly to the ground. sickle and covert feathers not to broad.
Head:Skull small, fine, and somewhat rounded. Beak strong, of medium length, slightly curved. eyes large and very bright, with a quick and fearless expression. Comb pea, low in front, fitting closely, the smaller the better. Face smooth and of fine texture. Ear-lobes as small as possible and fitting very closely.
Neck:Rather long, and covered with very long and flowing hackle.
Legs and feet: of strictly medium length, thick and strong, Thighs muscular, set well apart. Shanks straight and strong, set well apart, with smooth, even scales not flat or thin.(Note:There is no objection to two or more spurs on each leg, it being a peculiarity of the breed for this to occur.) Feet broad and flat. Toes, four, long, straight, spread, well apart, with strong nails, the back toe standing well backward and flat on the ground.
Plumage: Very full and flowing, but not too soft or fluffy.

Female

Main tail feathers are wide and well spread, the top two feathers curved in a convex manner and carried nearly horizontally. Coverts are moderately long, wide and abundant.Otherwise the general characteristics are similar to those of the male, allowing for the natural sexual differences.

Colour

The black
Male and female plumage:Very rich beetle green (Green-Black) with as much sheen as possible.

The blue
Male plumage:Hackles, saddle, wing bow, back and tail very dark slate-blue.
Remainder medium slate-blue, each feather to show lacing of darker shade as on the back.
Female plumage:Medium slate-blue, Laced with darker shade throughout, except head and neck, a dark slate-blue.

In both sexes and colours
Beak black. Eyes very dark brown of black (black preferred). Face, comb, ear-lobes and throat black or gypsy faced (black preferred). Legs and feet dark olive or black (Black preferred).

Wights

Male 2.25-2.70kg (5-6lb)
Female !.80kg (4-5)

Scale of points
Type 20
Head (beak 5, eyes 5, other points 10) 20
Colour 15
Feather, quantity of 15
Condition 15
Legs and feet 10
Neck 5
100

Serious defects

Single or rose comb. Any sign of dubbing. Red colour in comb, face or throat. Any sign of wattles. Other than four toes. Any deformity.

That's it word for word.

 

[ramirezframing]

Interesting, thanks for posting this Raph

 

[championsumatra]

The thing is that Tom told me his birds are the standard weight and my Sumatra's are about the same size so i do believe my Sumatra are about that standard size other wise we would all be DQ. And just because I go over a few bumps dose not mean I am going to give up my hopes dreams of becoming a specialist at breeding a standard bred Sumatra's as well as becoming master exhibitor, and becoming grand master breeder and to becom a well known Sumatra breeder like Tom is. What I love the most about breeding my Sumatra's is the challeng of plotting and scopeing out the best 5 Sumatra's them seeing the good qualities and the bad qualities in them and par them up, like let's say a hen is good but she has little bit of a red face and could have a better tail. them what I would do is par her up with a male with a soled black face and a nice full tail but lets say the hen has super yellow and bottom feet and the male has pale bottom feet. hopfully some of the chicks would get that dark face and a better tail and have the super yellow bottom feet. If most of them don't get what you where hoping for them cull them and keep the ones that match up to that.

 

[BGMatt]

Well it's easy to tell if they are standard weight, put them on a scale. I weigh every bird on the place that I intend to breed from at least once every 6 months. Take a dog crate, weigh it empty, then put bird in, subtract the crate weight and you're done. Then it's not opinion, it is undeniable fact.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Well it's easy to tell if they are standard weight, put them on a scale. I weigh every bird on the place that I intend to breed from at least once every 6 months. Take a dog crate, weigh it empty, then put bird in, subtract the crate weight and you're done. Then it's not opinion, it is undeniable fact.

We have a baby scale or maybe it's a produce scale... anyway, we take it out and weigh our birds from time to time, just to keep track of everything and make sure that they aren't too big.

With that said, I think I am done posting here for a while. I try to help people whenever possible but sometimes I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over with no luck. If anyone has questions or anything, message me here or find me on facebook

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

We have a baby scale or maybe it's a produce scale... anyway, we take it out and weigh our birds from time to time, just to keep track of everything and make sure that they aren't too big.

With that said, I think I am done posting here for a while. I try to help people whenever possible but sometimes I feel like I'm just repeating myself over and over with no luck. If anyone has questions or anything, message me here or find me on facebook

I hate to see you go as you have great information and are always one
I have enjoyed reading posts from. Your posts are easy to read and
make sense. I just may have to look you up on FB. Sure hope you
still post here though.

 

[championsumatra]

You know what I find sad is that I give good advise on what to look for in a good Sumatra and I give good info on some great Sumatra breeders out there and no one from the beginning was willing to believe me. The only one who did believe me was boggy bottom bantams and look at what he got! That hen is is a really nice hen. yes the rooster may look game like but what do you expect to see a totaly perfect chicken? come on people! And another thing I had informed everybody about was how to improve on the pale yellow color on the bottoms of the feet and yet people freaked out befor I had the chance to explain. If you are reading this right now boggy bottom bantams, James was the one who told me how he made thouse feet so yellow oreange. did he tell you by any chance? If he did'ent I would be Happy to tell you.