Sumatra Thread!

[LTygress]

I figured it probably came from way-back. I opened the thread on my phone's browser, and that was the first post it came to.

And you're right - I didn't know about the 8-judge minimum for poultry shows. Some animal shows are different like that, but the breed standard is ALWAYS confusing, regardless of what animal they are talking about!

 

[championsumatra]

NYREDS I have a question for you. Lets say that you are showing a sumatras that has a good back, but the other sumatras in the class have even longer backs than yours do. Don't you want to breed for longer backs to get ahead of the game so to say?

 

[dsfrango]

NYREDS I have a question for you. Lets say that you are showing a sumatras that has a good back, but the other sumatras in the class have even longer backs than yours do. Don't you want to breed for longer backs to get ahead of the game so to say?

Im not NYREDS but I have an answer for you...But a question first to your answer...Are you breeding to standard or what you think everyone else is breeding for? The answer to your question is NO, just because other people's birds have longer backs does not mean you should follow. The standard is not changing so why change your birds shape further from the standard??

 

[championsumatra]

I am sorry but if the Standard states long back then how is that going against the standard?? If there is sumatra that has a longer back than yours, then you better start breeding yours for a longer back. Because that sumatra with the longer back has an advanced over yours. To a judge or anyone trying to improve their birds to the standard is going to see that sumatra is more closer to what they are calling for in the standard. Think about it and what the standard calls for. How are you ever going to get any better if yours is not improving?

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[dsfrango]

I am sorry but if the Standard states long back then how is that going against the standard?? If there is sumatra that has a longer back than yours, then you better start breeding yours for a longer back. Because that sumatra with the longer back has an advanced over yours. To a judge or anyone trying to improve their birds to the standard is going to see that sumatra is more closer to what they are calling for in the standard. Think about it and what the standard calls for. How are you ever going to get any better if yours is not improving?

You stated "you are showing a sumatras that has a good back, but the other sumatras in the class have even longer backs than yours do". You said nothing about their birds being closer to standard. Their backs could be too long in your example for all we know. So basically your question is "Should you try to breed to standard?"

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[Coop Scoop Boogie]

You stated "you are showing a sumatras that has a good back, but the other sumatras in the class have even longer backs than yours do". You said nothing about their birds being closer to standard. Their backs could be too long in your example for all we know. So basically your question is "Should you try to breed to standard?"

A very good question and I for one do try to breed to SOP without using short cuts.


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[raph]

why not stop this argument here? Alongside the written standard we all have are own opinion of the breed, and our own view of how the breed should be. And some of us have questions, so when some one makes a statement or asks a question don't go slating them and causing an argument. So lets just stop this one here.

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[ramirezframing]

I agree Raph, there is the standard, and it leaves somethings to someones opinion. Kinda like the head sizes and tail spreads. I also agree that it has gotten to were people don't ask questions for fear of a fight (it seems) and because of this, ALOT of people who know some good information on this breed don't post anymore. They had started to come back after the last go around, and it was nice, but then left again. I, myself, would have liked to have said and asked NYREDS and these other people that have left about the SOP of the heads, but didn't so a fight wouldn't happen. Which I feel is pretty bad that no one can say how they feel or how they interpret the SOP to read if it's against how ONE person feels. There's alot that could be learned here I feel, but won't be learned here because these other people have left and it seems due to the fact that if anything goes against this ONE persons feelings/ beliefs, its wrong and that person starts a fight. I admit I had planned on going back to the "read only" plan for this thread, but felt I would give you my view point on this, so you can see where some of us (I feel that others might feel like this also, but I could be wrong) are coming from.

This is, as always, just my two cents..........By the way, how did it go for your art expo?

 

[raph]

We should start a new thread on Sumatra's, to lure the other people with good knowledge back. And we shouldn't argue on it.

And the art exhibition went well, i didn't get placed because i was the only one with pencil sketches, but i was in the runners up. And one of my teachers is going to buy a drawing for 40 euro.

 

[championsumatra]

Why are you guys trying to separate the standard from showing??? They are the same things they are tied together like a sandwich you can not win champion or be known as a good breeder if you are not going by the standard. A judge can not become a judge unless he is going by the standard...
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Ok what is wrong with that?? It sounds like you guys don't understand It. It helps you see that you may not be the closest to the standard as you thought or it improves your stock like I had said before.

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