Summer scratch

[Clay Mudd]

I think we've established that corn heats people up!

 

[Kikiriki]

I think we've established that corn heats people up!

Too funny!

 

[MyTDogs]

Thanks so much for posting the ingredients! Bummer that they have animal fat & animal protein listed though

What is strange to me is these companies list things like Grain products. Why on earth would they not list all those wonderful whole grains that appeal to people like me? Just going by what the ingredient tag says it sounds like any other Pablum you'd buy at TSC.

I'd love to hear what all those grains are

Thanks for the info!

I've been thinking about writing the company to get a complete ingredient rundown. I think the tag says it contains animal protein so I'd imagine the pellets are the animal protein-that would be because it's meant to be a food for game roosters, technically. I don't know if I have a bag here right now, sorry. I put my Knockout in old peanut butter jars and every morning, I grab a jar off the shelf and throw a few handfuls to each group as I let them out and I shake the jar to call them home from free ranging, and I think I just emptied a bag, but I'll go check and see. They love this stuff.


ETA: I emailed Faithway to see if they would send me a complete grains list. If they do, I will post it for you.

Found the bag in the trash. This is what the bag says:

Crude Protein Not Less Than 12%
Crude Fat Not less Than 3.6%
Crude Fiber Not more than 6.0%

Grain products, plant protein products, animal protein products, processed grain by-products, animal fat, Vitamin B12 supplement, Vitamin D3 supplement, Vitamin E supplement, d-calcium pantothernate, Riboflavin supplement, Niacin supplement, Menodione Sodium Bisulfite Complex, Biotin, Thiamin, Calcium carbonate, Folic Acid, Salt and traces of Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Phosphate, Calcium Iodate, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Copper Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Sodium Selenite and Zinc Oxide.

 

[speckledhen]

If they send me the actual list, I'll post it for you. I like the animal protein because I purposefully buy chicken feed by Tucker Milling that does contain animal protein (porcine meal). This Knockout is a feed made to be used as the sole feed to game roosters, but it is an excellent high quality scratch. Why pay $11 for almost all corn (Purina's scratch is like powdered corn, ick) when I can pay $12.75 for 11 grain Knockout, right?

 

[MyTDogs]

Right- I have been very unimpressed by anything purina- overpriced garbage ...literally.

IMO, the problem with animal protein, when it is listed as such, is not that it is of animal origin. I know chickens are omnivorous. The problem is in the legal definition. If it was listed as pork meal I'd be okay with it. Generic animal protein can be of any animal and is usually of very poor quality with many contaminants. Same with animal fat. The FDA did a study showing that animal fat was the most likely ingredient to be contaminated with pentobarbitol (the drug used for euthanasia of companion animals). Pentobarbitol is unchanged in the rendering process and so can be found as a contaminant in rendered generic animal products. If you'd like I can PM you a link to a video that shows exactly how this stuff is made. Don't want to post it cause little kids are on here.

 

[speckledhen]

The animal protein in the Tucker Milling is listed specifically as porcine.

It's excellent feed at a great price.

 

[hemet dennis]

Thanks so much for posting the ingredients! Bummer that they have animal fat & animal protein listed though

What is strange to me is these companies list things like Grain products. Why on earth would they not list all those wonderful whole grains that appeal to people like me? Just going by what the ingredient tag says it sounds like any other Pablum you'd buy at TSC.

I'd love to hear what all those grains are

Thanks for the info!

The reason they don't list all the grains by name is one day it maybe one grain and the next week it maybe something else.

 

[speckledhen]

I know that there were a couple of times, things were a little different, Dennis. Corn type changed, yellow to white, peas were there once, once there was quite a lot of white millet but that seemed like a mistake and it was only the one bag, back to normal the next time. No matter what, it's always been a great product, superior for the price to any scratch around here. 95% of the time, it looks to be the exact same grains in the same proportions, though at times, the whole kernel corn may be very little at all.

 

[hemet dennis]

I know that there were a couple of times, things were a little different, Dennis. Corn type changed, yellow to white, peas were there once, once there was quite a lot of white millet but that seemed like a mistake and it was only the one bag, back to normal the next time. No matter what, it's always been a great product, superior for the price to any scratch around here. 95% of the time, it looks to be the exact same grains in the same proportions, though at times, the whole kernel corn may be very little at all.

Yep one time they may not be able to get a certain grain at the right price. Sometimes they can get a deal on a better grain but most of the time it will be the same mix.

And it will always have corn to heat them up.

 

[Cindy in PA]

If you can't find Knockout like Speckled Hen gets, you can get a pigeon grain with ingredients listed & different protein %. Around here we have Purgrain & F M Browns. I get one with no corn that has 16% protein. They also have lower protein ones I can order. You can see the ingredients & the individual grains on their websites. Just look around your area for pigeon grains. The neat thing is it is virtually dust free, unlike most chicken scratch. It is not as cheap as Knockout however.