survival prognosis after fly strike??? UPDATE on Roy!!

[Kuntry Klucker]

Safeguard is a very safe wormer to use. I have read a study done on Safeguard for worming horses, that HUGE overdoses were given test horses with no after effects. You would have to give Roy a massive overdose to harm him.

I am not sure (and I can't find her post this morning) but, I am pretty sure the dose for Orpington sized chickens would be 1 and 1/2 cc per chicken for 5 consecutive days.

( I think earlier n this thread I told you 3 days, sorry for the wrong information)

Ok, that is good to know. I was afraid that doing this for 5 days I would overload Roy's little body and cause him harm.
Thanks for you post and information.

 

[casportpony]

Quote: A one day dose of Safeguard, when given at the correct amount, will kill roundworms and cecal worms, but it will not kill capillary worms. This one day dose that treats roundworms and cecal worms is repeated in repeated in 10 days.

If you want to treat for capillary worms you must give Safeguard for *five* consecutive days.

1ml = 1cc

The amount I give is 0.5 ml or 0.5cc per kg (2.2 pounds). Here are the doses I would use:

• One pound = 0.23cc
• Two pounds = 0.45cc
• Three pounds = 0.68cc
• Four pounds = 0.91cc
• Five pounds = 1.14cc
• Six pounds = 1.36cc
• Seven pounds = 1.6cc
• Eight pounds = 1.82cc
• Nine pounds = 2.05cc
• Ten pounds = 2.27cc

Being that accurate doesn't matter, so round up or down a little, whatever is easiest for you.

Always double check my math. This is the formula I use:
Weight of bird in pounds, divide by 2.2 (that converts pounds to kg), times desired mg per kg dose (I use 50mg/kg), divide by number of mg per one ml (Safeguard liquid is 100mg per one ml, which is often written like this - 100mg/ml). The answer to that is the amount of cc's or ml's to give.

This is what the formula looks like for a 10 pound bird:
10 ÷ 2.2 x 50 ÷ 100 = 2.27ml

Does that help?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Safeguard is a very safe wormer to use. I have read a study done on Safeguard for worming horses, that HUGE overdoses were given test horses with no after effects. You would have to give Roy a massive overdose to harm him.

I am not sure (and I can't find her post this morning) but, I am pretty sure the dose for Orpington sized chickens would be 1 and 1/2 cc per chicken for 5 consecutive days.

( I think earlier n this thread I told you 3 days, sorry for the wrong information)

I wouldn't say you are wrong, 'cause I have read some articles where people, under the supervision of their vets, have given it for just 3 days to treat capillary worms.

-Kathy

 

[enola]

I am not positive about the dosage given in the drug trials I read, but I think the overdose was 100 times the usual dosage.

I do know for a fact that a friend of mine was trying to worm a 4 month old pony foal..... In the struggle an entire tube of Sfeguard was given to the foal. When they called the vet, the vet told them the goal was not in danger.

 

[casportpony]

I am not positive about the dosage given in the drug trials I read, but I think the overdose was 100 times the usual dosage.

I do know for a fact that a friend of mine was trying to worm a 4 month old pony foal..... In the struggle an entire tube of Sfeguard was given to the foal. When they called the vet, the vet told them the goal was not in danger.

Lol, It's quite safe for almost all animals... Cats, kittens, dogs, puppies, foals, breeding stallions, reptiles, poultry, waterfowl, etc.

Safety info here:
http://parasitipedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2699&Itemid=2987

-Kathy

 

[Kuntry Klucker]

A one day dose of Safeguard, when given at the correct amount, will kill roundworms and cecal worms, but it will not kill capillary worms. This one day dose that treats roundworms and cecal worms is repeated in repeated in 10 days.

If you want to treat for capillary worms you must give Safeguard for *five* consecutive days.

1ml = 1cc

The amount I give is 0.5 ml or 0.5cc per kg (2.2 pounds). Here are the doses I would use:

• One pound = 0.23cc
• Two pounds = 0.45cc
• Three pounds = 0.68cc
• Four pounds = 0.91cc
• Five pounds = 1.14cc
• Six pounds = 1.36cc
• Seven pounds = 1.6cc
• Eight pounds = 1.82cc
• Nine pounds = 2.05cc
• Ten pounds = 2.27cc

Being that accurate doesn't matter, so round up or down a little, whatever is easiest for you.

Always double check my math. This is the formula I use:
Weight of bird in pounds, divide by 2.2 (that converts pounds to kg), times desired mg per kg dose (I use 50mg/kg), divide by number of mg per one ml (Safeguard liquid is 100mg per one ml, which is often written like this - 100mg/ml). The answer to that is the amount of cc's or ml's to give.

This is what the formula looks like for a 10 pound bird:
10 ÷ 2.2 x 50 ÷ 100 = 2.27ml

Does that help?

-Kathy

Wonderful!! yes that is much better. I am new at this whole worming and dosage thing and did not want to mess this up. Thank your for your help and expertise. You sound
like you have some experience is the vet world, a good person to know. I gave Roy is first installment of the wormer today, I have him 3/4cc because I wanted to be safe, and not overdose him
I will correct the dosage tomorrow. I hope this does the trick, noting else has worked so maybe he does have a bad case of worms. He has been loosing weight
so maybe this is his problem.

I am going to print this off and post it on my cabinet where I keep their wormer so I can refer when needed.

One more question. Should I wait and give the rooster booster cell formula after the worming is done?

Thanks so much for you help. I hope this does the trick for him.

 

[casportpony]

I have zero experience in any medical field, I'm just really anal about dosing by weight. Quite often I will have to give medications to birds that weigh weigh only 30 grams, so that's why I am so obsessed about the math and figuring out what is needed to treat whatever I'm dealing with.

-Kathy

 

[enola]

I have a notebook that I try to keep all of this type of info in.

Keep us posted on Roy's progress!

 

[Kuntry Klucker]

I have zero experience in any medical field, I'm just really anal about dosing by weight. Quite often I will have to give medications to birds that weigh weigh only 30 grams, so that's why I am so obsessed about the math and figuring out what is needed to treat whatever I'm dealing with.

-Kathy

that is a good thing to be anal about. You were very informative and very helpful. thank you so much for sharing your wisdom. I hope it does the trick for Roy.

 

[Kuntry Klucker]

I have a notebook that I try to keep all of this type of info in.

Keep us posted on Roy's progress!

I will, lets just all cross our fingers and toes and hope for the best. This is probably the last shot I really have of helping him. Noting else has
worked and no vet near me that will see a chicken. So I am on my own. So thankful for the people on this site who share their wisdom and
experiences. I will post a repot after I wormed him, unless something crazy happens between now and then.