Suspected frostbite on feet, chicken acting much sicker than that

adriagan

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Feb 15, 2022
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We have six backyard chickens, three olive eggers and three Orpingtons, all a bit under two years old; their coop is well insulated, run covered for the winter. No new introductions have been made. They're all inoculated against Marek's. I think this chicken, Padme, is lowest on the pecking order, but they've never been particularly aggressive towards each other, even when opportunity presents itself during molts and such. She's one of the olive eggers.

A few weeks ago we had a night of really terrible cold, in the negatives Fahrenheit, and all of the other chickens were just fine up on their perches, but Padme slept in the nestbox and got black frostbite on the tips of her comb. I brought her inside, let the comb warm up with no interference in a 75° room, applied a little Theracyn and kept her inside overnight before putting her back out the next day once it had gotten back in the 30s and her comb was dry. Last night and the night before, I found her nestled in the run underneath the stairs to the coop instead of inside; Sunday night I opened up the coop and put her up on the perch, thinking she had just been bullied out, and she seemed alright the next day. Last night I was a little more apprehensive to see her in the run after dark again, but tried getting her onto the perch. She fell right off it into my hands as soon as I tried to let go; I brought her inside right away. When I inspected her feet, they were a bit pink and felt cold. Assuming it was frostbite again, I avoided too much handling and set up a large dog crate (solid bottom) with a soft towel, food and water dishes. She's been in there since, in a warm 75° bedroom during the night and moved today to a sunroom- no drafts, 68°-72°, unfortunately able to see and be seen by two dogs and cats but I can't do too much about it today.

She's definitely acting much sicker than mild frostbite- she seems unable to move her feet, is very lethargic, squinting eyes, fluffed feathers. She doesn't resist handling at all, which is very unlike her, she's normally very skittish. The toes of the feet aren't rigid, I can move them, but left alone they seem to curl into a fist. I notice when I pick her up and go to put her down on her feet the toes spread and she seems ready to put weight on them, but just never does- as soon as I let go she sinks down to a seated position and the toes curl up. She steadies herself with her wings. In case I'm still looking at frostbite, I gave the feet an Epsom salt soak and gently cleaned, and will apply a beeswax balm a little later.

There is appetite, she's been eating last night and today. As of writing this post, she took treats from the hand, but was uninterested in treats in her bowl. Her crop is full of grain in a normal way, not distended, not liquidy. Her underside feels hot and I noticed a bright red/orange color to it (I don't know what color it is normally, to my chagrin now). Her poop looks normal, her vent is clean, but she hasn't gone nearly as many times as I would have expected- just two times since I brought her in last night.

None of the chickens have been laying since December when they molted except one of the Orpingtons, who just stopped but is healthy. I don't expect them to start laying again for a little while yet, but I'm still open to the possibility of a laying issue. All of the other chickens are looking and acting healthy, nobody has frostbite, everyone is eating and drinking normally.

I'm going to try and look for a poultry vet, but it might be a while until I'm able to get to one, if I can. Right now I'm looking at home treatment and diagnosis, if possible.

(PS- With respect, please don't suggest culling offhand- these is a tiny flock of spoiled backyard chickens, not stock.)
 
The big clue in your narrative is the "hot bright orange-red color" of the abdomen. That indicates a raging infection, and an oral antibiotic is what would be needed to treat her. It may be late too do any good, but you might want to try it.

You did a fantastic job of providing information, but the most important thing you left out - location. City, state, country.

Not knowing where you are, you could be in a country or a US state that prohibits antibiotics. Many of us buy our antibiotics on line, and this is a good place to get them if you're in the US. https://jedds.com/shop/
 
The big clue in your narrative is the "hot bright orange-red color" of the abdomen. That indicates a raging infection, and an oral antibiotic is what would be needed to treat her. It may be late too do any good, but you might want to try it.

You did a fantastic job of providing information, but the most important thing you left out - location. City, state, country.

Not knowing where you are, you could be in a country or a US state that prohibits antibiotics. Many of us buy our antibiotics on line, and this is a good place to get them if you're in the US. https://jedds.com/shop/
Thank you so, so much for this response. I had LA-200 on hand and gave her 1cc IM pretty much as soon as I read this. This morning she's standing up (!), looking more alert and reacting more normally- HUGE change. You may well have saved her life.

(Edit- I don't assume we're out of the woods yet, but the change is immense, I'm very encouraged.)
 
That's great news. I think you may have caught the infection in time. It's fortunate you had the antibiotic on hand. It's a good one so give her the full round.

Knowing your general location (not your address) gives us much information about your climate that can affect health of a flock and cause problems when it gets extreme, and it can help us diagnose a problem. Location also helps us help you find local services and meds. You're lucky you aren't on the west coast of the US. They are prohibited from buying antibiotics.
 
That's great news. I think you may have caught the infection in time. It's fortunate you had the antibiotic on hand. It's a good one so give her the full round.

Knowing your general location (not your address) gives us much information about your climate that can affect health of a flock and cause problems when it gets extreme, and it can help us diagnose a problem. Location also helps us help you find local services and meds. You're lucky you aren't on the west coast of the US. They are prohibited from buying antibiotics.
I am deeply relieved! Ah, yeah, that makes sense. Huge bummer for California flocks.

Can I ask you what the full round is, or generally what you would suggest for dosage? I gave the 1cc injection based off a post also on this forum, which was the only thing I had found on dosing LA-200 to chickens. That particular post recommended one injection IM of .2cc per pound, and then no more antibiotic for three days- I should see if I can find it and link it here. Here it is, found it.
 

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