The ‘I’ve Got The COVID Shot Club’!

[Sue Gremlin]

If they are so safe and effective, then why is it that in every case I put in my post, the doctors themselves said that the vaccines caused the issues? You trust doctors enough to put an experimental drug into your body, but you don't trust them when they say that vaccines have caused permanent injuries and deaths? I'm sorry, but that logic just doesn't make any sense to me.

The vaccine is no longer experimental.

 

[DickMidnight]

The vaccine is no longer experimental.

and it’s not a drug!!!

 

[Sue Gremlin]

So, if the vaccine kills you, that's a good thing? Well, I guess if you're dead, you can't get covid, that's for sure.

The math is pretty clear.
USA deaths from Covid: 762,000
USA deaths from the Covid vaccines: Three.

(sources: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2779731)

Also read: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...50000-people-as-analysis-claims-idUSL1N2R00KP

Spreading abject falsehood kills.

 

[Sue Gremlin]

Thank you, I meant eradication. And thank you as well, for taking the time to respond to me. I've always appreciated your posts and found them informative.

Anyway, as I understand it, covid now exists in animal reservoirs and is spread globe-wide. It also mutates and spreads easily. Those characteristics would appear to make it very challenging to eradicate.

By sterilizing, I meant that the vaccine would prevent you from carrying the disease. I've read that the vaccine for smallpox is an example of a sterilizing vaccine. Other vaccines, like the flu shot, are not -- train your body to fight and aid in reducing the symptoms. You are correct in that if a virus is very slow to mutate (like polio), wide spread use of non-sterilizing vaccines can lead to eradication. But, if a virus is faster mutating, like Covid, eradication is going be quite hard, if not impossible. I'm obviously speculating here, but I have difficulty in seeing how we could have globally rolled out a vaccine campaign quickly and simultaneously enough to have slowed transmission enough to have stamped out covid as a practical matter. Looking at data from countries like Israel and UK that have very fast and efficient roll-outs, makes me think there is really nothing as a practical matter we could have done, once the disease got its foothold.


Yes, it has, and that does give me some comfort. But, there have been struggles along the way. Here is an article written back in 2016 that discusses Moderna's efforts with mRNA. Its a long piece, mainly detailing some the company politics ask personalities, but it does get into the technology a bit. Moderna very much hoped it could use the mRNA technology to cure diseases, such as cancer. The problem they ran into was figuring out how to get the mRNA delivered. To quote the article:

"Delivery — actually getting RNA into cells — has long bedeviled the whole field. On their own, RNA molecules have a hard time reaching their targets. They work better if they’re wrapped up in a delivery mechanism, such as nanoparticles made of lipids. But those nanoparticles can lead to dangerous side effects, especially if a patient has to take repeated doses over months or years.

Novartis abandoned the related realm of RNA interference over concerns about toxicity, as did Merck and Roche."

https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/

I couldn't find anything discussing more precisely how many doses Moderna thought were too many, or whether they came up with a safer delivery solution in the intervening years.

I know I sound negative on them, but I truly do think that the covid vaccines are a wonder of engineering and have saved lives. Their development is an amazing story. But, I also believe there are limitations and like any new drug, there should be room for scrutiny and debate.

Thank you for your kind response to my emotional one. I wish we were all more like you. I am so angry and disgusted with everyone about this that I tend to get emotional. You are a class act.

 

[sourland]

Why is this funny to you? I honestly want to know.

Stunted maturity ?

 

[Texasclucker]

The math is pretty clear.
USA deaths from Covid: 762,000
USA deaths from the Covid vaccines: Three.

(sources: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2779731)

Also read: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...50000-people-as-analysis-claims-idUSL1N2R00KP

Spreading abject falsehood kills.

The math is not clear if they do not report it

 

[Sue Gremlin]

The math is not clear if they do not report it

Well I am sorry you have such distrust in our medical officials.

 

[Byrd gal]

I have seen two good friends pass from covid. One vaccinated, one not. Both in their 30's married with kids. It is heartbreaking.

 

[sourland]

I have seen two good friends pass from covid. One vaccinated, one not. Both in their 30's married with kids. It is heartbreaking.

It becomes very real when it hits close to home. I can only hope that the gigglers/hoaxers and their families are spared, but Karma can be a 'B'.

 

[Texasclucker]

Well I am sorry you have such distrust in our medical officials.

I do have distrust because they permanently hurt me I can never eat gluten again unless I want to break out from eating it