The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[Chickengirl1304]

I agree. Both Ayam Cemani and Svart Hona are difficult to take pictures of due to the nature of image processors. If you get in too bright of sunlight, it washes out the skin. Not enough light and the black just fades away. Or worse, the flash kicks in and highlights the blood in the wattles. Here is an example of too much sun washing out the black skin: Notice the skin looks yellow where it is hit by the bright sunlight but the parts of the birds hidden by the shade of the trees is too dark to even see. In this case, the image sensor is trying to make the black gray and washing everything out. Here is a picture of it being so dark that the flash kicks on:

Notice the flash bounces off the blood in the wattles and even highlights some silver in the hackles that probably wouldn't show in daylight. The image processor has even turned the grass yellow trying to adjust and find the right gray tone. But still if you display photos with pixels, people are going to assume that you tried to alter the photo to make the bird look less red. You can only blame the camera for so much. People are smart enough to know when you been working on the photo in an image editing program. The more you tweak a photo, the more pixelated it will be.

Yes, thank you. Those are great examples. I took some pictures yesterday and will try to get them up in a bit. No editing, natural sunlight

 

[bluenkimchi]

I agree. Both Ayam Cemani and Svart Hona are difficult to take pictures of due to the nature of image processors. If you get in too bright of sunlight, it washes out the skin. Not enough light and the black just fades away. Or worse, the flash kicks in and highlights the blood in the wattles.

Here is an example of too much sun washing out the black skin:




Notice the skin looks yellow where it is hit by the bright sunlight but the parts of the birds hidden by the shade of the trees is too dark to even see. In this case, the image sensor is trying to make the black gray and washing everything out.

Here is a picture of it being so dark that the flash kicks on:

Notice the flash bounces off the blood in the wattles and even highlights some silver in the hackles that probably wouldn't show in daylight. The image processor has even turned the grass yellow trying to adjust and find the right gray tone.

But still if you display photos with pixels, people are going to assume that you tried to alter the photo to make the bird look less red. You can only blame the camera for so much. People are smart enough to know when you been working on the photo in an image editing program. The more you tweak a photo, the more pixelated it will be.

I know you are giving examples of what you are trying to explain and I got it, but does that male have yellowish/goldish neck feathers or was just as you said the flash that cause it? Either way, he is gorgeous

 

[DCchicken]

I know you are giving examples of what you are trying to explain and I got it, but does that male have yellowish/goldish neck feathers or was just as you said the flash that cause it? Either way, he is gorgeous

That is the effect of the flash that I am trying to demonstrate. If the feathers have even the slightest hint of silver (even silver that is not viewable to your eye), the flash will make everything look golden. But yes, that was one of my original roosters and if you put his hackle feathers under bright lights, there is some silver in the feathers. This is actually common with FM birds and something I believe I have bred out.

With skin (even the black skin of these birds) it will highlight blood and make them look mullberry. Maybe this is why so many people try to modify their photos in an attempt to trick people. What they end up doing is pixelating the photos which is an obvious sign that the images have been altered. You don't fool anyone (well maybe some old lady that doesn't even own a cell phone). Just shoot outside in a natural setting and don't use a flash.

 

[bluenkimchi]

That is the effect of the flash that I am trying to demonstrate. If the feathers have even the slightest hint of silver (even silver that is not viewable to your eye), the flash will make everything look golden. With skin (even the black skin of these birds) it will highlight blood and make them look mullberry. Maybe this is why so many people try to modify their photos in an attempt to trick people. What they end up doing is pixelating the photos which is an obvious sign that the images have been altered. You don't fool anyone (well maybe some old lady that doesn't even own a cell phone). Just shoot outside in a natural setting and don't use a flash.

Got it

Is he a TM line or GFF line if you don't mind me asking and how much does he roughly weigh, doesn't look that big, but again picture/angle and in person will give you a different perceptive of actual size.

 

[DCchicken]

Got it

Is he a TM line or GFF line if you don't mind me asking and how much does he weigh, doesn't look that big, but again picture/angle and in person will give you a different perceptive of actual size.

I never weighed him. But he is pint sized. I think all the TM line are smaller than other lines. For a size comparison, that is a standard welded wire dog kennel. So he is two squares high. He is definitely a one hand rooster to hold. Also I updated my comment to better explain the silver in the feathers which is common in FM breeds. He was one of my original roosters. I no longer use him for breeding but he is still a nice bird if not perfect.

As a side note: silver or copper feathers will not show up until the bird has matured (maybe 4 months or later). It's one of the reasons I recommend against buying chicks or even eggs. The worst part is you could have a perfect cockerel that is perfect black (nails, comb, wattles, tongue, mouth, under the wing, vent, skin, etc.) and then when he matures, out can come the silver or copper.

 

[sharkman]

Here is a pic of a 6 month old roo of mine (not Cemani). the mulbery really shows up in pics more than in person. he is maybe 7 lbs now. He was all black as a chick and got gold in his neck as he aged.

 

[bluenkimchi]

I never weighed him. But he is pint sized. I think all the TM line are smaller than other lines. For a size comparison, that is a standard welded wire dog kennel. So he is two squares high. He is definitely a one hand rooster to hold. Also I updated my comment to better explain the silver in the feathers which is common in FM breeds. He was one of my original roosters. I no longer use him for breeding but he is still a nice bird if not perfect.

He is as small as I thought he is

He is still a very nice looking Cemani, regardless if he isn't all black feathers.

 

[Chickengirl1304]

Here are a few of the pics I got the last couple days for my website.

 

[Phage]

Here are a few of the pics I got the last couple days for my website.

They look fabulous!

 

[bluenkimchi]

Here are a few of the pics I got the last couple days for my website.

Very nice and I like their shape very much.......very different from the TM and GFF line of birds or are they one of those lines?