The American Paint Silkie

[jerschex]

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this guy is from a paint to paint mating

 

[JenEric Farms]

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http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e... Onwards/October 2010 onwards/auction2003.jpg

Is he Birchen???

 

[JenEric Farms]

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http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e... Onwards/October 2010 onwards/auction2003.jpg

Is he Birchen???

Also, did any hens come out this way as well? This was from paint x paint?

 

[jerschex]

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Is he Birchen???

Also, did any hens come out this way as well? This was from paint x paint?

Several, sent one to Chat Peets in Florida, gave several to friends., yes, from paint x paint mating. My paint x paint throw 50% paint, 25% black/birchen, 25% white, (these have all been cockerels, bleeding gray).

 

[jerschex]

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I really don't think that anyone here views themself as any kind of "resident expert", especially when we are talking about a color of which we don't know the genetics! The entire purpose of this thread is to discuss the breeding results. Your bird is very interesting, Jerry. I wouldn't have thought that you would get a paint from a breeding to a recessive white silkie......where did the white come from? Could it have come from a line carrying dominant white? There have been white silkies carrying dominant white genes before, but nobody did the test breedings to determine if it was dom or rec, at least as far as I know. But I saw pictures of Red Pyle Silkies about 5 or 6 years ago that could not have come about using recessive white lines. I don't presume to be any kind of a genetics guru, just another silkie breeder trying to figure this Paint thing out.

What is a silver back cock? Have any pictures? It is nice to have someone else posting who has been breeding Paint silkies, either Euro or American for a while....it can only help us all in this endeavor!

Deb in N TX

Best guess is that the white was recessive white, which does not work with only one copy. Paint came from the paint parent, and as a dominant gene "shows." Why does it not also show red? Maybe the white carried silver, so there was no red to show? Maybe it also carried dominant white? Maybe the white was an E-gene black underneath the recessive white? Maybe ...?

Jerry, how many chicks did you hatch from that pairing, and were they all paints? if not, what other colours and percentages? Have you paired that (or other paints) to other whites to see those results? The more data collected, the more one can find answers as to what makes paint.

The white silkie hen came from someone in Washington state, a swap for serama. Sigrid recommended I introduce American silkie blood in my paints to help with fertility problems. I hatched 3 of 6 eggs, only one was paint (pictured above), the other two were white. Unfortunately the white hen died, so I can't repeat that experiment. I currently have a black American male mated to several Dutch paint hens, first eggs due to hatch on the 30th.

 

[JenEric Farms]

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Also, did any hens come out this way as well? This was from paint x paint?

Several, sent one to Chat Peets in Florida, gave several to friends., yes, from paint x paint mating. My paint x paint throw 50% paint, 25% black/birchen, 25% white, (these have all been cockerels, bleeding gray).

Has anyone bred the "birchen" to "birchen"? Just wondering what came from that?

 

[jerschex]

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Several, sent one to Chat Peets in Florida, gave several to friends., yes, from paint x paint mating. My paint x paint throw 50% paint, 25% black/birchen, 25% white, (these have all been cockerels, bleeding gray).

Has anyone bred the "birchen" to "birchen"? Just wondering what came from that?

i did send Chad 2, thinking they were a pair, not so, one turned out to be a cockerel, i think he gave that one away. Just starting my 3rd year with the paints and with only a trio to begin with, (one hen was infertile) it's taking a while to get things going. I now have 8 hens, & 2 cocks, in paint. 2 white American Silklie pullets, a Black American silkie cock and several chicks. also the silver back cockerels mentioned above. May use one over a couple of paint hens and see what that brings.

 

[Brody's Broodello]

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Reminds me of a Merle dog, with uneven pigment in the eyes. Could be the paint gene is a chicken version of a merle gene? cool

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

Judy Lee's paints do throw some oddities as well, however none that have that same phenotype, Jerry. She will get an occasional red paint, splash, partridge, dark smoky chicks that turns brilliantly white (with or without spots), dun coloring with spots, etc. Below are pics of a few of the oddities.

I've been scouring the internet for some articles and came across the following one that was very interesting for dominant white, dun and smoky.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448810/

 

[featherbaby]

Three Cedars, are these your paints and odd-wads above? Very nice!!

If you have a good lavender pullet to spare, remember me. I am prepared to beg AND grovel. I have 2 black/split lavender cocks that I need a good lavender pullet for. I will have to sell one of them but they are both so outstanding in type and color(beetle green on wings, ooooohhhh), it's going to be really, really hard to choose. These are the ones I got from Darling (through you) that have the magnificent lavender father. Oh my, they are going to make some beautiful babies! I only wish I had room to keep them both. Bah! Humbug!