The American Paint Silkie

[jerschex]

Hate to sound like a fool, but I've read here, in earlier days, that there was no such thing as a 'paint gene', and like the frizzle you're either frizzle or not. I've read here, where 'black to black' matings of blacks from paint do not and 'will not' produce paint, I've proven that theory wrong. Same goes for white. Also read here where you cannot produce paint from a paint to a white american mating, I've proven this incorrect too. Read here where to incrrease the size of spots one needs to breed to black, bunch on nonsense. I know nothing of holes and windows and will leave that to those building houses.

I've been breeding serama for 10 years and know to expect the unexpected. Same with my paints.

 

[squig2]

I Am Also New At The Paint Thing. But I Have A Question On Genetics. I Was Wondering If The Same Thing Falls In Play As When People Where Breeding Lavenders And Using Blacks. Now From What I Remember The Theory Was That You Could Get Some Black Carrieng The Lavender Gene And Some Not. Would That Also Fall In Play When Lets Say Using A Paint That Is Paint To Paint Breeding And Using It On A White Or Black How Would You Be Able To Tell That The Offspring Are Carrieng The Gene If It Is Not Expressed. So That Also Brings Up Another Question, Lets Say I For Example Use A Paint On A Solid Corlored That Came Out Of Paint Breeding Could That Mean That I Could Very Well Be Breeding Back To Another Non Carrier Thanks

 

[Northwood Silkies]

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Yeah, I would like to know the same thing. I see breeders selling their black split to paint all the time but how would they know if the birds are really split that they are selling you or just a non-split black ?? Is there a way to tell?

 

[robin416]

The only responsible thing for a breeder to do until we have more information is list them as progeny from paint/whatever with no assurances that they will produce paint. That will address the other issues like pigment holes should they crop up.

Paints are new. We learned so much about the lavenders because they were worked on for years quietly. They were not introduced until they were much further along than the paints are at the moment. Records are going to be vital in understanding how the paint works and what not to do to avoid mistakes.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Yeah, I would like to know the same thing. I see breeders selling their black split to paint all the time but how would they know if the birds are really split that they are selling you or just a non-split black ?? Is there a way to tell?

The term split is used to indicate a recessive gene that is present, but does is not seen, because only one copy is present (and two are needed for the gene to affect the actual appearance).

There is a lot that is NOT known about paints. It is THOUGHT that paint is either dominant white or an allele of dominant white. Breeding has shown that it makes an appearance when only one copy is present, therefore, it cannot be properly referred to as split. I personally believe that the gene cannot normally hide, based upon my understanding of what is known about dominant white.

Lavender is different in htat it is a recessive gene. It is possible to breed so that one KNOWS a bird is split to lav; it is also possible to breed so that the bird might or might not be split to lav. In my opinion, one should never state that a bird is split to something unless one is 100% CERTAIN that the bird carries a copy of the gene. If the bird might, or moght not be split, the only way it is appropriate to say that to a purchaser is in a complete conversation where the purchaser is made fully aware that there are no guarantees at all for that ellusive "split." Quite frankly, I probably would not mention it except to a knowledgeable breeder who I was certain understands the underlying principles.

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

Agree with Sonoran. I would refer to them as a black that was hatched from a paint pen. Don't really know much more than that for sure...at this time anyway.

 

[Three Cedars Silkies]

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[squig2]

Thanks everyone for your info.

 

[jd08]

I cant wait to start breeding paints, it sounds hard but its the challenge that i like!!!

 

[joe17]

Here is my favorite paint.