The Buckeye Thread

[cgmccary]

Neil sent me one of his photos, if only that darned bird would have stood with both feet together! LOL...

Beautiful bird, very nice specimen of the breed and a great picture! Congratulations! Thanks for sharing. I know he is relatively young -- what is his age?

 

[Pathfinders]

Beautiful bird, very nice specimen of the breed and a great picture! Congratulations! Thanks for sharing. I know he is relatively young -- what is his age?

He should be a good specimen, his sire was your bird! I am very pleased with what he has thrown this year, thank you again for your very generous gift of that bird.

That batch was hatched March 31st, so he is not-quite seven months.

 

[cgmccary]

One of my mules, Rudy, is close to being mahogany bay in color. He even has a sooty gray undercoat:

 

[cgmccary]

He should be a good specimen, his sire was your bird! I am very pleased with what he has thrown this year, thank you again for your very generous gift of that bird.

That batch was hatched March 31st, so he is not-quite seven months.

He looks almost identical to his grand-sire, a bird that won LF CH as a cockerel and then Reserve of Show as a cock. The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

 

[Pathfinders]

I'll throw this up here, it is a quick hack, far from a fancy finished work. But I find when one drops out the color and gradations, one can see the shape of a bird. This shows my bird on the left, and a 1915 illustration of an ideal Buckeye on the right.

I note my bird's back is not sloping as much as I'd like (one of the things I'm working on) and in this image his neck has an odd bump which doesn't appear there when he walks around, but it's an interesting thing to look at. I'm getting there...

If anyone has pictures of their birds they'd like me to silhouette for them, send me a PM, happy to do so.

 

[cgmccary]

I'll throw this up here, it is a quick hack, far from a fancy finished work. But I find when one drops out the color and gradations, one can see the shape of a bird. This shows my bird on the left, and a 1915 illustration of an ideal Buckeye on the right.

I note my bird's back is not sloping as much as I'd like (one of the things I'm working on) and in this image his neck has an odd bump which doesn't appear there when he walks around, but it's an interesting thing to look at. I'm getting there...

If anyone has pictures of their birds they'd like me to silhouette for them, send me a PM, happy to do so.

Great comparison there. I am wondering how did you get your cockerel to stand so near the 1915 SOP picture? -- How many snaps did Neil have to take to get that photo? I can never get mine to stand upright in the box like that -- but your male is posed almost like the SOP picture!

 

[Pathfinders]

Great comparison there. I am wondering how did you get your cockerel to stand so near the 1915 SOP picture? -- How many snaps did Neil have to take to get that photo? I can never get mine to stand upright in the box like that -- but your male is posed almost like the SOP picture!

ROFL! You don't want to ask, we stood there futzing with that bird for at least ten minutes. Bloody beast. I was surprised he didn't bolt right out of the box. And if you look closely, he's giving Neil the stinkeye as he's trying to walk away. I snatched my hand out just before Neil took the pic.

 

[Minniechickmama]

Someone asked me in the Heritage Breeds thread here if, while at the OH National, I would be willing to help someone new to Buckeyes assess their birds (they got some chicks from me earlier this year) and show them what to look for when setting up breeding pens. I wanted to post my reply here as well:

I will be happy to critique my birds for folks, being able to do it with a live bird makes it much more effective. I can give tips about how to set up breeding pens in order to optimize the results, and discuss what works well together and what doesn't, in my experience.

What I won't do, however (just for the record) is critique others' birds without their permission, either in public online or in person. I find that to be poor sportsmanship, and unfair to the person whose birds they are, especially if they are unable to respond. I am happy to point out the good parts of someone else's birds, but won't discuss anything negative about them without their permission.

I was taught that one doesn't raise oneself up by dragging someone else down.

But happy to help anyone, customer or not, learn more about the breed, as far as I am able.

As a breeder, I am happy to point out what I like and don't like about a animal someone has bought from me. I am happy to say "I like this" or "I don't like that". However, if I bred the animal, I will automatically have some bias. I could blow sunshine up their butt and tell them how great that bird is to make myself look better, but the real evaluation of a bird is when a qualified judge can tell you what is good and what is bad.

As for pictures, as long as no one's name is attached to a picture, what harm is there in critiquing so others can learn? When a person enters birds into a public show, they have opened themselves and their entries up to public scrutiny as well as the judges. One cannot then go back and say, "I don't want anyone to see my birds that I didn't give permission to do so." That is ridiculous. Putting them on public display means just that, they ARE on public display. So, unless an exhibitor wants to cloak their entries except for when the judge is actually handling them, then the entrant should either grow a thicker skin or should just not enter public shows. It's as simple as that.

Critiquing of other people's birds goes on on here and all over the internet ALL of the time. Not giving HONEST feedback, both good and bad is only coddling. For instance, if a bird lacks the correct coloring, is knock kneed, has the wrong slope to its back, a narrow head, a pinched tail, is puny and I say "Oh, what a beautiful bird, you should show it at a national show." I am either coddling, a liar or I don't know what I am talking about. When a person enters a show, they are, by proxy, saying "Look at my bird. I want to know how good or bad it is." If you post online and show your stock, you are also saying, "Look at my bird." If I didn't want any comments on my pictures, I would say something like , "This is just to look at. I don't want any comments on it." That would be pretty foolish now, wouldn't it?

 

[Blueface]

I'll throw this up here, it is a quick hack, far from a fancy finished work. But I find when one drops out the color and gradations, one can see the shape of a bird. This shows my bird on the left, and a 1915 illustration of an ideal Buckeye on the right.

I note my bird's back is not sloping as much as I'd like (one of the things I'm working on) and in this image his neck has an odd bump which doesn't appear there when he walks around, but it's an interesting thing to look at. I'm getting there...

If anyone has pictures of their birds they'd like me to silhouette for them, send me a PM, happy to do so.

I fail to see the comparison, the back doesn't have the same angle, the neck has a crook in it, the head is overall smaller, the tail appears to be bigger and the bird is shorter. Other than the round curvature of the breast, how is it similar? I congratulate Laura on BB but it is only best of breed which was against herself. The mods wanted me to stick around and point out things that don't really add up and this right here doens't really add up......plus no one here can say that I'm jealous because you know and I know that clearly isn't the case.

 

[Minniechickmama]

The pictures may look similar at first glance, but the new photo was clearly enlarged against the other, they are standing differently, heads turned at different angles, but most of all a silhouette doesn't tell even half the story about a bird.