The color is ginger but what else?

[Susan Skylark]

This guy is out of my jumbo ginger hatch, so obviously he's ginger, but I'm not certain on base pattern (italian?) and think he might also be sparkly as well, any ideas? Thanks! Just hatched four chicks with this guy and a bunch of italian hens. They all look italian as well (and are all male besides, grrr).

 

[redinator]

Does this hepl?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1270278158061146&set=p.1270278158061146&type=3

 

[Susan Skylark]

That’s pretty cool! Could certainly be Manchurian ginger, the sparkly is over EB so not sure what it looks like over fawn/Italian but we’ll see what the kids look like.

 

[Susan Skylark]

Okay, we’ve got some rather odd insight from ‘the kids,’ 4 two week old chicks. This guy is ginger over American pansy/cardoon! I can sort of see it in the back but I certainly wouldn’t have guessed! Here’s a heterozygous cardoon with Italian:

The hens are Italian/cardoon/fee (pearl and 1 pansy gene).

2 chicks are pearl pansy, which is expected, but the other two are coming in full American pansy/cardoon! American pansy is recessive to eb/wild/Italian, it will influence the pattern, like the Italian above but you need homozygous genes for actual full expression: he’s American pansy under the ginger!

I’m tickled because I wanted to breed a few ginger pansies, this saved me a couple generations! My American pansy male is also getting old but I didn’t want to lose the pattern (some of the hens are heterozygous) quite yet, now he can retire. Now if I can just figure out what genes make up my “peach” birds.