The Duck Thread

[DoctorWhoDucks]

Here are my four babies!!! I just took this today! Took me forever to get a good picture tho! They are a little camera shy lol

 

[casportpony]

I was wrong... Just weighed one teaspoon (5ml) of table salt and it weighs 7 grams. So let me re-phrase what I said above... Most powders are not as dense as water, some might be the same and some might be heavier.


Weighed to date:

Water - one teaspoon = 5 grams

Table salt - one teaspoon = 7 grams

Corid - one teaspoon = ~3 grams

Sulfa-G - one teaspoon = ~3 grams

Durvet 10 - one teaspoon = ~3.3 - 4 grams

Tylosin - one teaspoon = 2.5. - 2.7 grams

Safeguard paste - 5ml = 5 grams

Ivermectin paste - 5ml = 5 grams


-Kathy

I'm very interested/curious...what is all that stuff you've weighed and what do you do with it? 

I don't actually use any of the powders, but read many posts where people ask what the doses are, so I decided to get some of the powders people use most, weigh them and calculate the proper doses.

Corid (amprolium) can be used to treat some strains of coccidia.
Sulfa G (sulfamethoxazole) can be used to treat some bacteria and some strains of coccidia.
Duravet -10 (tetracycline) can be used to treat some bacteria.
Tylan Powder (tylosin) is used to treat a narrow range bacteria.

I have horses, so that's why I have these:
Safeguard (fenbendazole) good broad-spectrum wormer for all animals.
Ivermectin (Zimecterin) good for horses, but ineffective in poulty.

This all started because of all the posts where people kept saying that the Corid Powder dose was 1/2 teaspoon per gallon and all the posts about using "pea sized" amounts of horses wormer. Something about those posts just didn't feel right to me, so I set off to find out how much medication is in all the powders and "peas".

Did you know that if you give a five pound bird a pea sized amount of ivermectin that you're actually giving ~11x the recommended dose?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

 
Another winner! What were they thinking? Very scary to think that a company as big as they are doesn't have someone to catch those types of errors. There's another error, too... They based their dosing info on one tablespoon weighing 15 grams, but all powders I have weighed weigh between 9 and 12 grams per tablespoon, not 15!

Many might be thinking "one tablespoon does weigh 15 grams", and this is true for water or things with a similar density as water, but powders are not as dense as water. 

More math to follow. 

FYI, I am not a math wiz, not even close, and this has been somewhat difficult for me, but I'm finally getting the hang of it.

-Kathy

Yes, going from liquid to powder - by definition, an ounce of water is an ounce of water, a gram is a gram.  But powders - weight and volume are not the same.  sigh.

That boring stuff the science teacher tried to tell us actually has some real-world application.

shew.

And I don't look down on anyone who does not understand it all - I often have to look things up to be sure I recall correctly.  But the label - eee, that's a little anxiety-producing.

Yeah, I don't look down on those that understand it either, and many of the labels give me anxiety attacks, too, but nothing like two years ago, lol. Luckily for me (and BYC users), DH (mr math) is really smart, so I run my stuff by him before I post.

-Kathy

 

[Debs Flock]

I don't actually use any of the powders, but read many posts where people ask what the doses are, so I decided to get some of the powders people use most, weigh them and calculate the proper doses.

Corid (amprolium) can be used to treat some strains of coccidia.
Sulfa G (sulfamethoxazole) can be used to treat some bacteria and some strains of coccidia.
Duravet -10 (tetracycline) can be used to treat some bacteria.
Tylan Powder (tylosin) is used to treat a narrow range bacteria.

I have horses, so that's why I have these:
Safeguard (fenbendazole) good broad-spectrum wormer for all animals.
Ivermectin (Zimecterin) good for horses, but ineffective in poulty.

This all started because of all the posts where people kept saying that the Corid Powder dose was 1/2 teaspoon per gallon and all the posts about using "pea sized" amounts of horses wormer. Something about those posts just didn't feel right to me, so I set off to find out how much medication is in all the powders and "peas".

Did you know that if you give a five pound bird a pea sized amount of ivermectin that you're actually giving ~11x the recommended dose?

-Kathy

Very interesting! Color me impressed. Thanks for your response, Kathy!

Ivermectin seems familiar...must also be used in dogs and/or cats. Is it also a de-wormer?

More reading for me...now I need to find out what coccidia is.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Here are my four babies!!! I just took this today! Took me forever to get a good picture tho! They are a little camera shy lol

They sure are cute.

 

[needlessjunk]

Very interesting!  Color me impressed.  Thanks for your response, Kathy!

Ivermectin seems familiar...must also be used in dogs and/or cats.  Is it also a de-wormer?

More reading for me...now I need to find out what coccidia is.

It's for heart worms in dogs. Has anyone used the live stock version on dogs?

 

[casportpony]

Very interesting!  Color me impressed.  Thanks for your response, Kathy!

Ivermectin seems familiar...must also be used in dogs and/or cats.  Is it also a de-wormer?

More reading for me...now I need to find out what coccidia is.

It's for heart worms in dogs. Has anyone used the live stock version on dogs?

It could be used in dogs, though ivermectin is toxic to some breeds, so I would not suggest using it unless directed to by a veterinarian.

My dog's HeartGuard Plus pill has 0.272mg (272 micrograms) of ivermectin, which would be 0.027ml of the 1% ivermectin made for livestock. Note that I said 0.027ml, which is about one drop (hopefully I did my math correctly).

-Kathy

 

[needlessjunk]

It could be used in dogs, though ivermectin is toxic to some breeds, so I would not suggest using it unless directed to by a veterinarian.

My dog's HeartGuard Plus pill has 0.272mg (272 micrograms) of ivermectin, which would be 0.027ml of the 1% ivermectin made for livestock. Note that I said 0.027ml, which is about one drop (hopefully I did my math correctly).

-Kathy

I've seen the breed list before and mine are not on it but I'm too scared to screw up the dosing. I've talked to a few people who have used it but I would hate to do harm to my dogs by being cheap. You are a wealth of information!

 

[Debs Flock]

@casportpony - okay so you inspired me to do more reading and now I've managed to scare myself. Can ducks get worms and coccidia? Are worms and coccidia the same thing?? Should I have my ducks on a regular regime of preventive treatments?

 

[casportpony]

@casportpony - okay so you inspired me to do more reading and now I've managed to scare myself. Can ducks get worms and coccidia? Are worms and coccidia the same thing?? Should I have my ducks on a regular regime of preventive treatments?

No need to be scared, but yes, duck can get worms and coccidia, though from what I've read, coccidia is rare in ducks. Coccidia Worms are another story... several members in the duck forum have posted about worms, though I don't remember what worms. Your best line of defense would be to have routine fecals done, which means collecting a bunch of fresh poop from a bunch of ducks, put in a baggie, still well, take to vet.

Quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccidiosis

-Kathy