Oh, I'm not even thinking about giving up! I know it's still early, but I see great potential in these birds. I try to envision what they'll transform into this Fall, but only time will tell if I'm right. While I'm seeing some heavy lacing in the hackles some birds, and very little ticking in others, I realize this may change dramatically when they get their adult feathers. I'm soaking every detail in like a sponge, and will pay close attention to the changes to see if I can detect patterns. Still working on breeding details. I know to not mate dark males to dark females, and a mating a male with smut to a female with little black can throw beautiful chicks, etc. I just wish I could have someone with experience on hand when I make my choice of breeders to make sure I make good decisions. If nothing else, I'll have to flood this thread and FB with detailed pics and descriptions of each bird so I can get 2nd, 3rd, 50th opinions...