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I got a very nice trio of RIR's yesterday to start a breeding program. I also got a Barred Rock cockerel and three pullets. They're still young but they are the nicest birds I ever owned. Even though they are young they are twice the size of the hatchery birds I have. The differences are stark. Being new at breeding, I hope I can do my part well to advance the line.



 
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I got a very nice trio of RIR's yesterday to start a breeding program. I also got a Barred Rock cockerel and three pullets. They're still young but they are the nicest birds I ever owned. Even though they are young they are twice the size of the hatchery birds I have. The differences are stark. Being new at breeding, I hope I can do my part well to advance the line.



I noticed your trio from Lacy on FB. Congratulations!!!

I'd also love to have some heritage Rocks. My hatchery Rocks make me cringe...
 
I noticed your trio from Lacy on FB. Congratulations!!!

I'd also love to have some heritage Rocks. My hatchery Rocks make me cringe...
Thanks. I'll tell ya what, if I'm successful breeding the Rocks I'll give you a holler and if you don't have any yet I'll send you a couple chicks. It'll be a while yet but I feel your pain. I totally know what you mean about the hatchery Rocks. When I started learning about them in the SOP and I saw a real Rock I felt like I was going to have a spell. I know the hatcheries fill a need with their breeds but geeze-o-whiz, come on. What they sell is comparable to advertising a German Shepherd and selling a Chihuahua. I wish I knew the differences before I started my first flock. I'd of preferred to have 3-4 quality birds over 100 hatchery stock. I'm totally with ya on that one.
 
Thanks. I'll tell ya what, if I'm successful breeding the Rocks I'll give you a holler and if you don't have any yet I'll send you a couple chicks. It'll be a while yet but I feel your pain. I totally know what you mean about the hatchery Rocks. When I started learning about them in the SOP and I saw a real Rock I felt like I was going to have a spell. I know the hatcheries fill a need with their breeds but geeze-o-whiz, come on. What they sell is comparable to advertising a German Shepherd and selling a Chihuahua. I wish I knew the differences before I started my first flock. I'd of preferred to have 3-4 quality birds over 100 hatchery stock. I'm totally with ya on that one.
Lol... an excellent analogy. I only have barred rocks because a guy down the road had a flock from Cackle Hatchery. I had a new incubator and wanted to test it out before spending big money on RIR eggs. I had a good hatch, and kept the pullets and one cockerel for fresh eggs. They're good for that, but that's it. Not only are the heritage BR's good for eggs and meat, they also look sooooooo much better. Not likely I'll have sourced any by spring, so I may have to take you up on your offer. Thank you... I appreciate it very much.
 
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Young group of BR's... Dec 2015 hatch.



They actually look quite a bit better than my hatchery birds. Here's mine for comparison:

Hatchery:


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Yesterday my wife had a birthday party for me and we had a lot of visitors. I'm not kidding you on this, but when people saw the selectively bred Rocks they asked me if they were turkeys. I explained the details and no one believed me that the hatchery Barred Rocks were the same breed as the SOP Rocks. They said the only thing that was similar was the stripes but even they weren't the same exactly. I replied, "...well no sh%t."
 


I hope everyone gets the chance to show at a National meet, a National sized show some time in their lives. It's an experience you won't soon forget. At the Ohio National this weekend, almost 300 Rhode Island Reds were cooped in, (along with almost 7000 other birds). Shows of this size provide you with the rare opportunities to have your birds judged against the best of the best. You get to meet people face to face, which the only way gain perspective and to build a meaningful relationship with Steven Gribble, Matt Ulrich, Joe Ulrich, Don Nelson, Dennis Myers, Gary Underwood, Jacob Bates, and so many, many more of the folks who contribute more than their "names" to lines, but are genuine people. Folks whose names I could go on and on were in attendance. Great juniors like Heather and Laura, Brandon and Mason who are knocking it out of the park. Great young folk in this hobby.

Think of this. These top birds are cooped in and the judge will only place (rank) 4 or 5 birds in each class of P, K, H, and C. That means that only 25-30 birds get anything more on their coops card than a simple check mark. This means, basically, that out of the nearly 300 Reds entered, 260 get a check mark. Yet, showing at major competitions such as this is simply the best way to judge your progress with your program. Does just one show, under one judge tell the whole tale? Of course not. But entering your birds at a couple of good, high quality shows each year will keep your sharp. It is the only real cure for barn blindness. Two straight days of talking Reds, with living examples right in front of you? Priceless. Even better was seeing the multiple times birds get pulled out and you see two, three people digging through feathers for smut, or moving the hackles to find too much green or seeing those tail feather lifted to search for red. Hands moved gently down the bird's back to feel for that long, flat surface so desirable in these birds. The nature of what is learned, the education shared is what makes the fraternity of Reds breeders so worthwhile.

This "stuff" doesn't happen on FB. It doesn't happen here on BYC either. It cannot happen via "social media". It happens in real life, with real birds, with very real people.

Great weekend at the Ohio National. The Reds showed themselves very proud with major wins at both the junior and in the open. Good times.
 
So what happens if a person, unknowingly or unwittingly, being under-educated in the differences between Standard bred fowl and mass produced feed store/hatchery birds? Yes, it happens. Very sad to walk the Junior aisles and see birds that some young person cooped into the show without a clue what Standard bred birds are. What happens? And, how did this happen?

Very often the kid "showed" his hatchery bird at some fair somewhere which wasn't even a sanctioned show nor was the "judge" licensed and was perhaps just some Joe from the Fair board who "knows chickens", so it is said. The kid may have gotten some kind of ribbon because fairs operate on an entirely different level. They seek to make kids feel good and they seek to build a big display in the poultry barn. All this is good stuff, but it often leaves parents and kids alike woefully uninformed about poultry quality. Often, these very fairs are far more particular about their beef or dairy cow livestock exhibitions. Sadly, "it's just a chicken" attitudes leave poultry in the far rear of respect. So it goes. Back to our story about a real, sanctioned show experience.

The judge simply never takes the bird from the cage for a look-see. No reason to bother. The judge has lots of top quality birds to judge and won't waste the time. The judges have various ways to express themselves to the "exhibitor" of a commercial, mass produced, hatchery stock bird. Sometimes they just write "commercial" and move on. Other judges I've noticed write "wrong type" and move along.

Other judges write "production" and keep on moving as they've a big job to do judging the hundred or so quality birds entered. The hatchery stock gets "DQed" but not in ways that most people here on BYC imagine. The judges are kind and don't write DQ very often. Instead they leave these cryptic notes. Sometimes I wonder if the poor kid or person who entered the production red into the show even understands. Sigh.







As an old Barred Rock breeder, it pains me to see the occasional hatchery Plymouth Rocks entered. Again, they don't get judged at all. The judge simply moves on to the standard bred birds next in line. I'm pretty hard core, and I freely admit this fact, but it does comes down to whether such birds truly are the breed they are said to be. Well, they're a chicken. Even a good chicken perhaps, but if they don't come even close to meeting the type of "the breed", they really are not the breed. The good news is they do remain a chicken. LOL
 
So what happens if a person, unknowingly or unwittingly, being under-educated in the differences between Standard bred fowl and mass produced feed store/hatchery birds? Yes, it happens. Very sad to walk the Junior aisles and see birds that some young person cooped into the show without a clue what Standard bred birds are. What happens? And, how did this happen?

Very often the kid "showed" his hatchery bird at some fair somewhere which wasn't even a sanctioned show nor was the "judge" licensed and was perhaps just some Joe from the Fair board who "knows chickens", so it is said. The kid may have gotten some kind of ribbon because fairs operate on an entirely different level. They seek to make kids feel good and they seek to build a big display in the poultry barn. All this is good stuff, but it often leaves parents and kids alike woefully uninformed about poultry quality. Often, these very fairs are far more particular about their beef or dairy cow livestock exhibitions. Sadly, "it's just a chicken" attitudes leave poultry in the far rear of respect. So it goes. Back to our story about a real, sanctioned show experience.

The judge simply never takes the bird from the cage for a look-see. No reason to bother. The judge has lots of top quality birds to judge and won't waste the time. The judges have various ways to express themselves to the "exhibitor" of a commercial, mass produced, hatchery stock bird. Sometimes they just write "commercial" and move on. Other judges I've noticed write "wrong type" and move along.

Other judges write "production" and keep on moving as they've a big job to do judging the hundred or so quality birds entered. The hatchery stock gets "DQed" but not in ways that most people here on BYC imagine. The judges are kind and don't write DQ very often. Instead they leave these cryptic notes. Sometimes I wonder if the poor kid or person who entered the production red into the show even understands. Sigh.







As an old Barred Rock breeder, it pains me to see the occasional hatchery Plymouth Rocks entered. Again, they don't get judged at all. The judge simply moves on to the standard bred birds next in line. I'm pretty hard core, and I freely admit this fact, but it does comes down to whether such birds truly are the breed they are said to be. Well, they're a chicken. Even a good chicken perhaps, but if they don't come even close to meeting the type of "the breed", they really are not the breed. The good news is they do remain a chicken. LOL

All outstanding points! You hit the nail on the head. Being new to the standard bred chicken world myself I learned a ton of info by reading and most especially talking to experienced breeders. A lot of things that are basic are unknown to a lot of people, and I'm still learning those basics myself so the adage about no question being a dumb question is certainly true in breeding and showing poultry. Since learning some of the basics and finally getting quality breeding birds I've been wasting no time telling and showing people, especially young people, as much as I can without overloading them. I agree that the last thing anyone would want to have happen is for a person to take a production bird to a show and get bypassed - that would be painful. On a bright note I'm happy to report that everyone I gave a tour to thus far seemed very interested in the standard birds and some even want to help out to learn more and possibly get their own program going. I found that very encouraging.
 

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