The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[riftnreef]

Could you take some pictures of your daughters red bantams for us?

Some times like at the Ohio National they will have some they go fast. Have to act quick and get the cash out in a hurry.

There will be plenty of large fowl eggs and chicks in SEASON. Not today as no one has their breeding pens put together. Where the Radamaker birds BIG? If so how many pounds over standard weight would you guess.

Does any one know what the limit is for being over weight on a large fowl Red?

Do judges weigh birds at shows? If you protested a larger bird winning over your normal size Red what would be done by the show Sec and the Judge?

Big is not always better. I have seen light Brahmas so big they could not mate correctly and no baby chicks unless you did AI.

Most important thing is dont buy a bird from breeder A and a bird from breeder B then cross them. Just be patient and find a strain for you location where you live. New England area go with Don Nelson. South go with Matt 1616 for example in South West go with the Texas line of Lloyd Flanagan or the Ricky Bates line out of Arkansas. There are others but those just come to my mind and there are a few on this board who could supply you eggs as they are experts at shipping eggs the super star breeders your lucky if you could get ten 10 day started chicks and eggs are out of the question as they need them for them selves or chick orders.

I will try to get some pics of her new bantam Reds this weekend and get them posted. Bill did well by her, as they are already in pretty good condition and look excellent from what I know of the standard.

On the topic of size, I couldn't agree more. Not sure of the weights of the birds I saw in the show pens, but they were some of the largest I've ever seen!

I would be thrilled with some eggs since the county she shows in has some VERY odd restrictions on age of fowl for the cockerel/pullet classes. They ask that any bird over 6 months be shown as cockbird or hen?!? Generally a 6 month old bird is not ready to show, but what can you do...oh yeah, I joined the rabbit and poultry committee to have that changed... At least I hope they listen to reason on this topic...there is limited interest in poultry in our county, so I hate to see them make it worse by having unrealistic requirements of the kids showing. The kids that follow that rule are usually turned around by the judge because the birds just are not ready, and a kid that bent the rule typicall wins with an 8-9 month old bird in better condition.

I understand a little of not mixing strains from different breeders, but more as it relates to Barred Rocks. We are currently having difficulty finding a replacment cockerel for a trio of bantams she got in the spring from Mr. Horstman. I know that we can't mix them because it would throw off the barring, but what will happen if you cross the Reds? If color is the same, and type is close, where will the trouble come from? I don't personally have much of an interest in exhibiting birds, but I have enough appreciation for herritage breeds not to want to breed substandard birds, and therefore apprecaite the input!

 

[riftnreef]

Pullet 1


Pullet 2

Cockerel...didn't want to pose at all!

Pullet 1 Wing

Cockerel Wing

Thoughts?

 

[NYREDS]

Could you take some pictures of your daughters red bantams for us?

Some times like at the Ohio National they will have some they go fast. Have to act quick and get the cash out in a hurry.

There will be plenty of large fowl eggs and chicks in SEASON. Not today as no one has their breeding pens put together. Where the Radamaker birds BIG? If so how many pounds over standard weight would you guess.

Does any one know what the limit is for being over weight on a large fowl Red?

Do judges weigh birds at shows? If you protested a larger bird winning over your normal size Red what would be done by the show Sec and the Judge?

Big is not always better. I have seen light Brahmas so big they could not mate correctly and no baby chicks unless you did AI.

Most important thing is dont buy a bird from breeder A and a bird from breeder B then cross them. Just be patient and find a strain for you location where you live. New England area go with Don Nelson. South go with Matt 1616 for example in South West go with the Texas line of Lloyd Flanagan or the Ricky Bates line out of Arkansas. There are others but those just come to my mind and there are a few on this board who could supply you eggs as they are experts at shipping eggs the super star breeders your lucky if you could get ten 10 day started chicks and eggs are out of the question as they need them for them selves or chick orders.

It's been years since they weighed birds at shows but there are many people who believe they still should. In the long run it would probably be a good thing but in the short run there would be some much smaller shows. Many current birds are either too light or too heavy. There are still some breeders that still weigh their birds but most do not.
If a protest were lodged due to the weight of the winning bird the person filing the protest would need to put up a $25 protest fee. The protest would needto be lodged in writing. The judge, along with the President & Secretary of the local organization would form a committee to review the protest. If the protest was upheld the protester's $25 would be refunded, if not the $25 would go to the local organization. This committee could also consist of the Judge & 2 representatives appointed by the local organization.

 

[Robert Blosl]

Preservation of the Breed: If you want to set a goal to keep a breed for five or ten years you would be money and time ahead to get a good strain of Rhode Island Reds from a establish breeder or purchase a male from a breeding pen such as Bobby has and showed last weekend at the Show in Lucasville Ohio. You could get a male from him and two or three females from a friend say Bill F. from Ohio who has the same strain. You could also, get some good chicks the next year from one of the sub strains that have this pure line or get some chicks from the master breeder of the line if he can ship you some.

Having a breed for looks, for pets or general back yard poultry use with no intention of showing them or trying to keep them free of lots of defects in color, combs, length of body ect. You could then get a male from Minnesota and females from Rhode Island which are not the same strain. You should have at least very vigorous birds , have plenty of eggs and pretty to look at. They could be showed on a local fair level or 4H with no problems what's so ever.
That is it in a nut shell. What are your long time goals with the Rhode Island Red breed. Most people do not keep them more than three to five years and move on to another breed. That has been going on for at least 50 years and that's normal within the hobby. So if you can find one or two some were and you don't want to show or breed them to the standard by all means get a bird from one place or another. I am just trying to save the person some headaches who want to try to prevent them from extension or who may want to enjoy the showing of their Reds at local shows in the USA

 

[catdaddyfro]

Preservation of the Breed: If you want to set a goal to keep a breed for five or ten years you would be money and time ahead to get a good strain of Rhode Island Reds from a establish breeder or purchase a male from a breeding pen such as Bobby has and showed last weekend at the Show in Lucasville Ohio. You could get a male from him and two or three females from a friend say Bill F. from Ohio who has the same strain. You could also, get some good chicks the next year from one of the sub strains that have this pure line or get some chicks from the master breeder of the line if he can ship you some.

Having a breed for looks, for pets or general back yard poultry use with no intention of showing them or trying to keep them free of lots of defects in color, combs, length of body ect. You could then get a male from Minnesota and females from Rhode Island which are not the same strain. You should have at least very vigorous birds , have plenty of eggs and pretty to look at. They could be showed on a local fair level or 4H with no problems what's so ever.
That is it in a nut shell. What are your long time goals with the Rhode Island Red breed. Most people do not keep them more than three to five years and move on to another breed. That has been going on for at least 50 years and that's normal within the hobby. So if you can find one or two some were and you don't want to show or breed them to the standard by all means get a bird from one place or another. I am just trying to save the person some headaches who want to try to prevent them from extension or who may want to enjoy the showing of their Reds at local shows in the USA

So your saying I could get one of those super duper males from say; like Matt has and cross him with these Horstman pullets. I'm thinking I'm seeing a great female line here and the boys are much slower to mature that some of the ones of the approx. same age as posted on here is what I'm getting at here. I think i read somewhere back a few weeks ago that the Horstman birds were possibly descendants from stock you(Bob) had sent up north some years ago.

I was out studying/looking one of my males over just the other day and got to looking and these girls are as shiney as the males are, this dark red color is absolutely amazing to look at most definitely.

Jeff

 

[Robert Blosl]

Quote: Yes you can cross any large fowl red onto your line but you are going to pay a price in color and sometimes crazy faults will pop up in type. If you dont want to show them and just want pets go for it. If you want to breed them for say ten years dont do it. Stay with a strain like Don Nelson. Heck I would get in my car and drive to Bobby's house in North Carolina and get some of his birds which are his first year matings of Nelson line. I saw a female with a long back on her I would pay $100 for and one of his males brother to his champion male at Lucas ville. I would be happy as a cat in a litter box with his line. I however would not walk across the street to get four dozen free eggs from a strain that is crossed as I dont have enough years left to clean up the mess to get them to the level that Bobby has or Matt has. Thats the thing you have to ask your self. Am I a Back Yard Chicken collector and want pets or a person who is a Preservationist to save the breed. We need about three people to be hard core Preservationist and about 100 Back Yard Chicken hobbyist. Not all can do it so thats why I say we need hard core breeders. Out of 300 people with large fowl Reds one will float to the top and be the Breeder I always dream about. That's why I do what I do. It was a promise I made 30 years ago to the old timers I interview if they would give me their secrets I would pass them on and make them public. Now its up to the Back Yard Chicken person or lady if he or she wants to be a Preservationist. There is a difference. Its like using chemicals in Gardening or going the old fashion way Organically. Not many can go that route. Hope I made myself clear.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Yes you can cross any large fowl red onto your line but you are going to pay a price in color and sometimes crazy faults will pop up in type. If you dont want to show them and just want pets go for it. If you want to breed them for say ten years dont do it. Stay with a strain like Don Nelson. Heck I would get in my car and drive to Bobby's house in North Carolina and get some of his birds which are his first year matings of Nelson line. I saw a female with a long back on her I would pay $100 for and one of his males brother to his champion male at Lucas ville. I would be happy as a cat in a litter box with his line. I however would not walk across the street to get four dozen free eggs from a strain that is crossed as I dont have enough years left to clean up the mess to get them to the level that Bobby has or Matt has. Thats the thing you have to ask your self. Am I a Back Yard Chicken collector and want pets or a person who is a Preservationist to save the breed. We need about three people to be hard core Preservationist and about 100 Back Yard Chicken hobbyist. Not all can do it so thats why I say we need hard core breeders. Out of 300 people with large fowl Reds one will float to the top and be the Breeder I always dream about. That's why I do what I do. It was a promise I made 30 years ago to the old timers I interview if they would give me their secrets I would pass them on and make them public. Now its up to the Back Yard Chicken person or lady if he or she wants to be a Preservationist. There is a difference. Its like using chemicals in Gardening or going the old fashion way Organically. Not many can go that route. Hope I made myself clear.

Yeah I think I will too stick with what I already got as 1 or 2 of these boys are showing good promise anyhow, and I too have just got thru (PMing one fellow RIR man on here) who has these Horstman type along with other strains too and he is an agreement that there are none as (or he or I haven't seen any posted yet) as dark as these Horstman reds so far(not knocking no-one else's either) I just see these boys a little slower in maturing than others posted but "what the hay" I got more time than money, right, so I shall continue with what I have and I think I will be good to go and if I want some Mohawks or another strain later on I'm sure that could be arranged and yes I saw that to, Bobby's(jaman4) RIR male is a good looking dude too just what we like to see in these big red birds. I'll be there sooner or later.

Jeff

 

[ChickMagnet207]

Is this good color for being in the sun?
also he has black spurs, does that matter?

 

[cmom]

Is it normal for Heritage RIR's to lay large eggs? A large egg is 56 grams to 63 grams. Recently my Heritage RIR's have started laying. The eggs have been 56 grams, 58g, 60g and 61g. Is this normal for them? Usually when my other pullets start to lay the eggs are around 50 grams.

 

[Robert Blosl]

A female pullet at say 11 months old should lay a 2 1/2 oz egg or a 24 oz dozen. Dont know the conversion or the grams eggs I am to old.