The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[NYREDS]

I'm sure some did somewhere but they more than likely only got Reserve champion behind a production Hi-sex leghorn or Hubbards ISA sex-link hybrid in some week long egg-laying contest. Surely not for being in a beauty contest or a tail feather ruffling act, on a showgirl stage in Vegas or wherever. LOL

J/K Mr. Blosl you know they are only good for one thing, making all those real Reds that do get on Champion row look real good. and laying lots of brown eggs

Jeff

That's 2 things.

 

[catdaddyfro]

That's 2 things.

yeah I know it .

I just had to throw that last thing in for good measure, I do hope everyone takes this as humor and not seriousness in any form or fashion other than they do lay lots of big brown eggs though LOL(no,seriously)

Jeff

 

[catdaddyfro]

Back to seriousnes now and to real RIRs.

Bob, over on another site (

) anyway you posted about these later generation of Reds showing a trait starting to pop up and since I saw and read that post I've really put a keener eye on this "roach-back" or as you called it in the post "hump back" could you elaborate on this and what is to be done or can be about it?

Your quote:

The hump in the back is a inside joke among a few of us on this message board. We have seen this on a few birds and you would think the judges would cut for this fault. How it showed up I have no idea unless a breeder needed some new blood after many years go a good bird and then this fault shows up. I have not seen this on most large fowl strain only one in the mid west. ​

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Well I noticed this (I think) on some young red males that were posted up on here sometime back and too its got me really looking hard on my couple of boys that I have decided is 'what I got to work with for starters' I don't see it but too don't know exactly where or how or what I'm to look for or see. and does it? maybe go away with age to if there is evidence of such showing up.​

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[BantyChickenLuv]

I know I've asked this before, but what does everyone think of Duane Urch's Bantam RC RIR's? I ordered 6, coming in early January. Here is a LF RC pic from his website:

 

[NYREDS]

I've not seen those particular birds from Urch/Turnland but everything I have seen that came from there including the SC Red Bantams has been of very good quality. I would expect the RC Red Bantams would be as good as everthing else.
That said, if you just want a few 6 is enough; if you're planning to seriously breed them a larger starting sample would have made more sense. No one produces nothing but excellent birds so you'd expect to do some culling from any chicks bought from anyone.

 

[BantyChickenLuv]

I've not seen those particular birds from Urch/Turnland but everything I have seen that came from there including the SC Red Bantams has been of very good quality. I would expect the RC Red Bantams would be as good as everthing else.
That said, if you just want a few 6 is enough; if you're planning to seriously breed them a larger starting sample would have made more sense. No one produces nothing but excellent birds so you'd expect to do some culling from any chicks bought from anyone.

I can't do large scale breeding due to where I live. In fact, I'm not even supposed to have cockerels, but if I get some out of the 6 I'll keep the one or two best ones to live in my garage. I ordered them just for showing in hopes of going to Champion Row with them.

 

[Robert Blosl]

http://books.google.com/books?id=Iy...Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Rhode island reds&f=false

Read this its a good old book.

Went to Matts last night picked out a Red Bantam male bird for Matts son to use this year. Funny thing after we cut and put the five males back into the box I brought them in the male that won was the sire of the best Male Matts son raised last year. He and his sire look so much alike. Matt I brought back my ckl I brought over put him back into the conditioning pen and I think he is the brother to your good ckl he looks the same.

Saw some very nice Rhode Island Red large fowl last night. Matt has one male that looked like one of my original males I started with 30 years ago. I had a six year old hen and she produced three great males. One male I called War Eagle, the other High Stepper and the other Houdini as we could not keep him in a pen. The male has the lenth of body like High Stepper and the head of Was Eagle. When people say the Mohawks are smale this guy is not. He is the largest Male of my line I ever saw. He is as big as Radamakers Reds I saw 12 years ago and his are huge.

Some are smaller, but one pound over standard weight is ok for me. Now for most judges they want them two to four pounds over weight. Some say to me I want them to fill up the whole cage or they are not a good large fowl. These judges are not worth a flip in my book, but if you want to win points and become a master breeder of the APA you have to do what the juges want.

No policing at the shows. No scales at they show to weigh your birds or challange the judge saying they are to big so you are screwed and you just keep your mouth shut.

You have a choice breed to win or breed to the standard for the sake of the breed. My white rock large fowl are right on the money for size but are to small for most Mid West strains of White Rocks as they are huge. Like White Jersey Giants. But big is better isnt it???????????????????

Saw some very nice Orange Chickens. One New Hampshire pullet was the best I ever seen.

 

[BantyChickenLuv]

Thank you for those links, I'll have to take a look at them. I do happen to have the most recent edition of the Bantam standard though that I got from the last show I went to. I've been reading the RIR section a lot.

 

[Robert Blosl]

Back to seriousnes now and to real RIRs.

Bob, over on another site (

) anyway you posted about these later generation of Reds showing a trait starting to pop up and since I saw and read that post I've really put a keener eye on this "roach-back" or as you called it in the post "hump back" could you elaborate on this and what is to be done or can be about it?

Your quote:

The hump in the back is a inside joke among a few of us on this message board. We have seen this on a few birds and you would think the judges would cut for this fault. How it showed up I have no idea unless a breeder needed some new blood after many years go a good bird and then this fault shows up. I have not seen this on most large fowl strain only one in the mid west. ​

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Well I noticed this (I think) on some young red males that were posted up on here sometime back and too its got me really looking hard on my couple of boys that I have decided is 'what I got to work with for starters' I don't see it but too don't know exactly where or how or what I'm to look for or see. and does it? maybe go away with age to if there is evidence of such showing up.​

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If you look at the pictures in the Poultry Press news paper there are some Rhode Island Red Large Fowl Single Comb that the females have a hump in their back. This is not a roach back its a cushion type of thing. I have never seen this on any strain of Reds that I have looked at. My thinking is the breeder had breed these birds for over 30 years needed new blood added the blood and the results is this cushion. I even saw a male with it one time. How this pooped up I will never know.

I saw a male the other night that was as big as his birds that I saw 12 years ago at the Red National Meet in Lincoln Nebraska. When I saw this male from a distance I thought this was one of his big males. But he was just a big male out of the Illinois line. He was long and tall and just great nice male.

Thats about it on that issue. How many people on this tread dont get Poultry Press?

 

[Chris09]

Back to seriousnes now and to real RIRs.

Bob, over on another site (

) anyway you posted about these later generation of Reds showing a trait starting to pop up and since I saw and read that post I've really put a keener eye on this "roach-back" or as you called it in the post "hump back" could you elaborate on this and what is to be done or can be about it?

Your quote:

The hump in the back is a inside joke among a few of us on this message board. We have seen this on a few birds and you would think the judges would cut for this fault. How it showed up I have no idea unless a breeder needed some new blood after many years go a good bird and then this fault shows up. I have not seen this on most large fowl strain only one in the mid west. ​

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Well I noticed this (I think) on some young red males that were posted up on here sometime back and too its got me really looking hard on my couple of boys that I have decided is 'what I got to work with for starters' I don't see it but too don't know exactly where or how or what I'm to look for or see. and does it? maybe go away with age to if there is evidence of such showing up.​

Jeff​

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Jeff,

Where is the "hump" at on the back?

If it mid back to the base of the neck it could be Roach Back if it is at the base of the tail (like a Cochin) then it is most likely Cushion.
Also if you run your hand down the back and the hump that you feel is the spine of the bird then it is Roach Back. Either way there not what I would call good breeders since the standard for Reds calls for a flat level back.


Chris