The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[Chris09]

would you say the F1 of a Pure RC and SC will likely be like the research papers stated?


Here Mrs. Kaz posted good genetic info on Rose Comb, nice to confirm Rose-comb is caused by a 7.4 Mb inversion on chromosome 7 source http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=107153#Post107153

Are you referring to --

Quote: If so then I would say no.

I never had a weak, crippled or "defective" chick come out of a Rhode Island Red do to comb type, and cant say that I have ever had a crippled or "defective" chick ever hatch out of any of my birds.


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I average around 90% hatch rate on all my Reds, Rose Comb, Single Comb and Rose/Single Comb Crosses.

Chris

 

[Chris09]

Thanks for all the RC info and the pics. Pictures really do help us beginners more then I can say.

I have 2 chicks from the RC/SC pen. One is a RC and one is a SC. If they turn out to be a male and a female, would I be better off breeding that pair, better off crossing the RC to one of the other SCs that came from the SC pen, or will it matter?

I know I am jumping the gun here since they are just hitting the 2 week mark, but I really want to be as prepared as I can be and I am very excited about having both the SC and the RC. I do want to get enough so that I can keep them separate at some point.

Penny

Penny,

If it was me I would wate until you can see what they pan out like. [about 9 month to a year old]
You need to know what there body type along with other thing are like before you decide who you are going to breed to or even if you are going to breed them.


Chris

 

[melroseladi]

Thanks Chris.

 

[immyjay54]

This post is for Bob or anyone that may know anything about this.
My friend, whom I got my first reds from, went to Mr. Kittles yesterday morning after stopping in at my house. I would have loved to went with him then I could have cleared all of this up but with my job I can't be away for that long. Bob you have a post on showbird in the spring chronicles section July 5, 2011 about Mr. Kittle and I'm a little confused. You say about his son/dad so many times. The Mr. Kittle that my friend got his start from is Wilfred Kittle and he was born in 1921. Is this the same Mr. Kittle that you are talking about. My friend and Mr. Kittle had a real talk yesterday and Mr. Kittle gave him lots of pictures and records about his birds and breeding info. He also gave him a picture of a cock bird that he was supposed to have gotten from Mrs. Donaldson a very long time ago.
I don't want to say to much because what I know is coming from someone else and I'm always afraid of saying something that isn't so.
It is a shame that someone that has been fooling with the RIR this long doesn't have a story somewhere. I'm going to see if somehow I can maybe get to go down and talk with him. He's only 50 or so miles from me and he will be 92 years old next month. I'd bet he can tell some real stories.
Hey, Mr. Horstman, if you see this you may be able to shed a little light on this subject. You and he are pretty close neighbors.
Thanks
Jim

 

[Robert Blosl]

I dont know much about Mr. Kettles flock the question is has he crossed new blood into it a few years ago when he started selling eggs of chicks in the Poultry Press. I have a 1950 Rhode Island Red Chronicle I am sending a friend and it has his dads farm or nursery in Penn in this ad in this issue. Are these the same R I Reds that his dad raise for so many years?. I dont know.

The only way to com pair his Reds with other strains is show them at a show with the other birds there to com pair or if you have to separate pens take pictures of the two strains and com pair them or just have some one with a good Red Eye like Cris or New York Reds or Walt to look at them. You could have a five minute video on U tube for all of us to look at the strain com paired to the Nelson Birds or the Chamness birds.

All I know is what I read or see in the Poultry Press or her on the web sties on this subject. Many people have different strains there is about six of them know some are very very good, some are so so with a few issues to clear up and some are cross strains with lots of genetic faults to weed out because of crossing strains. If you just want Reds for your personnel use who cares. If you are trying to improve them and maybe show them you want to stick with the top strains. Its a personnel choice. He is the son of the older fellow I cant remember his first name. They had a good strain in the old days. bob

 

[immyjay54]

I dont know much about Mr. Kettles flock the question is has he crossed new blood into it a few years ago when he started selling eggs of chicks in the Poultry Press. I have a 1950 Rhode Island Red Chronicle I am sending a friend and it has his dads farm or nursery in Penn in this ad in this issue. Are these the same R I Reds that his dad raise for so many years?. I dont know.

The only way to com pair his Reds with other strains is show them at a show with the other birds there to com pair or if you have to separate pens take pictures of the two strains and com pair them or just have some one with a good Red Eye like Cris or New York Reds or Walt to look at them. You could have a five minute video on U tube for all of us to look at the strain com paired to the Nelson Birds or the Chamness birds.

All I know is what I read or see in the Poultry Press or her on the web sties on this subject. Many people have different strains there is about six of them know some are very very good, some are so so with a few issues to clear up and some are cross strains with lots of genetic faults to weed out because of crossing strains. If you just want Reds for your personnel use who cares. If you are trying to improve them and maybe show them you want to stick with the top strains. Its a personnel choice. He is the son of the older fellow I cant remember his first name. They had a good strain in the old days. bob

Thanks Bob
I still think that either I'm not making myself clear or we are talking about an awful awful old man. lol The old fella that I am talking about is 91 years old right now. His birthday is Jan 24, 1921. Now, would this be the one that you are talking about or are you talking about this old fella's son. I had my friend ask him yesterday when his birthday was and how long he had been with the reds. Talked to my buddy last night and he said that Mr. Kittle told him he has red's since 1938.
Please don't think that I am trying to put you on the spot, I just wondered if you knew any more history on this old fella then what my buddy had told me.
I will let you know if I find anything out that is concrete. I don't like saying to much of what someone else tells me. I may just be telling a bunch of jibber jabber. lol
Thanks again
Jim

 

[BantyChickenLuv]

Good news- I figured out when exactly I'm getting my RIR R.C. Bantams, the tail end of January or very early Febuary. I also had the opportunity to meet with one of my friends who has a few heritage RIR's. She happened go bring one along. Here are some pictures:

 

[Robert Blosl]

Ok I will stick with my gut. The ad is Lincoln Nursery Red Farm 1908 to 1950 Pittsburgh 21 Penn in this old Red Chronicle. I may be wrong but i thought he was the son of the original owner. I cant remember the owners first name. They called the Garnet Color Strain. They where not big winners at the shows, they sold lots of eggs and chicks I am sure.The folks or the man who I got my old Red stuff from that was King in Penn at that time was Charles Carbou. He was a millionaire who made bath tubs and sinks there in Elwood City Penn. He had a fellow who was his manager and care taker named Jerry Keefer. It was Jerry that sold me Mr. Carbous collection of Poultry Books, 44 total. The only thing Jerry did not have to give me was Harold Tompkins mating list book that he got from Harold in 1954 when he went to buy 300 single comb and 100 rose comb reds from Harold be for he sold out to a bunch of chicken want a bees in Mass. They did not last three years in the business and went broke with Harold's birds.

So I dont know I dont have all my stuff in front of me that I once had. I gave a lot away to Red future breeders and all I can remember is whats in my head.

If they started the chicken farm in 1908 Wilfred was not born then. He was born in the 20s. So that's why I think it was his dad that was the breeder not him.

Hope this helps maybe he could tell you or your Friends if Lincoln Nursery Red Farm was the name of their farm. If it is not then I am all wet. It wont be the first time. As far as hi stoic strains of Reds they dont even get on my list of super stars.

Harold Tompkins, Mrs Donaldson, Emily Mayhood where Mr. Reeses top three breeders of all time. There where others like Ralph Knickerbocker, Cliff Terry, George Underwood, Ken Bowlers who are in the Hall of Fame and where great breeders. Have you seen the list of Hall of Fame breeders from 1954 to the present? bob

 

[immyjay54]

Ok I will stick with my gut. The ad is Lincoln Nursery Red Farm 1908 to 1950 Pittsburgh 21 Penn in this old Red Chronicle. I may be wrong but i thought he was the son of the original owner. I cant remember the owners first name. They called the Garnet Color Strain. They where not big winners at the shows, they sold lots of eggs and chicks I am sure.The folks or the man who I got my old Red stuff from that was King in Penn at that time was Charles Carbou. He was a millionaire who made bath tubs and sinks there in Elwood City Penn. He had a fellow who was his manager and care taker named Jerry Keefer. It was Jerry that sold me Mr. Carbous collection of Poultry Books, 44 total. The only thing Jerry did not have to give me was Harold Tompkins mating list book that he got from Harold in 1954 when he went to buy 300 single comb and 100 rose comb reds from Harold be for he sold out to a bunch of chicken want a bees in Mass. They did not last three years in the business and went broke with Harold's birds.

So I dont know I dont have all my stuff in front of me that I once had. I gave a lot away to Red future breeders and all I can remember is whats in my head.

If they started the chicken farm in 1908 Wilfred was not born then. He was born in the 20s. So that's why I think it was his dad that was the breeder not him.

Hope this helps maybe he could tell you or your Friends if Lincoln Nursery Red Farm was the name of their farm. If it is not then I am all wet. It wont be the first time. As far as hi stoic strains of Reds they dont even get on my list of super stars.

Harold Tompkins, Mrs Donaldson, Emily Mayhood where Mr. Reeses top three breeders of all time. There where others like Ralph Knickerbocker, Cliff Terry, George Underwood, Ken Bowlers who are in the Hall of Fame and where great breeders. Have you seen the list of Hall of Fame breeders from 1954 to the present? bob

Okay Bob, now I got you it. Since you are talking back in 1908, that would be Wilfred's dad (I guess). lol Without talking to him myself, I guess we will never know for sure. I hate 3rd hand information unless I know that the person really knows what they are talking about. This is why I was asking you, (don't get a swollen head ha, ha). I just thought that with all the information in books, papers etc. that you would probably know if anyone did.
Yes, I have seen the Hall of Fame thing that you posted on here. I don't miss very much on here. I'm on my computer a lot of hours every day. I work right at home so I'm on here a lot.
Thank for not getting offended with me. I sure didn't mean to put you on the hot seat. lol Maybe when I get with my friend and he shows me the papers/pictures he's suppose to have gotten from Mr. Kittle I will know a little more.
These birds do need some work to come up to my Nelson, Mohawks, Horstman and Underwood lines but they don't look like the hatchery RIR or Production Red's that I've seen. The type on the Cock bird that I have is not bad, pretty good length to the back, very nice beetle green in the tail but not the dark hackle feathers like my other lines have. I will work on them for a couple of years and see what happens. I can always use the hens for egg production if they don't pan out to be what I want.
As always Bob, I will not mix them with any of my other lines, I have them all separate. If I ever show or never show, I still want to keep the lines that I have the best that I can.
Thanks again for your information. I'll let you know if I find out any good info.
Jim

 

[Robert Blosl]

You need to look at the strains you have then get down to one strain. Having two or three diffeerent strains will cost you a lot of money and greef. Its about like having rose combs and single combs large fowl and bantam in reds. Two many birds and never get good in any of them.

One day when I get a chance I will try to figure out his dads name. I may be all wet on this maybe New York Reds can help me out. I just dont have a lot of data in my brain on this fellows Reds. To many other great strains to worry about or think about from the old days.

Also I sent out about ten messages with the article on how to get started with Rhode Island Red large fowl. If you want a copy you can go to my web site its the last article I posted right on the top of all the others. Just type my name blosl or blosls rhode island reds or rhode island reds