Quote: It is not necessarily true that they are "Production Reds". Whoever came up with that term..................... ALL RIR, NH, WPR, BPR, DEL are PRODUCTION. That is the only reason they came into existence at all: Production. RIRs from a hatchery are usually true RIR. BUT, BUT, BUT they are NOT AT ALL 'standard bred'. That does not mean that they are not RIR. They are the offspring of RIR even if they are not SQ. Otherwise, any and all 'less-than-ideal offspring' of so called 'heritage' RIRs should not be called RIRs either. Also, all hatchery BPR, WPR, NH, DEL, BO etc., should also have their names changed because they are 'different': too small as adults, bad tails, bad combs, imperfect body type. Ideal, Cackle, Mt. Healthy--at least--sell RIR and also "Prod. Reds". The difference is that the "Production Reds" are either F1 offspring of NH and RIR, OR the offspring of F1 generation offspring of NH and RIR. In other words, RIR beget RIR, even if the parents were not managed to the SOP goal. If you disagree, then you should also say that the offpring of Barred Rocks and New Hampshires, etc. are NOT TO BE CALLED the same breed because the parents were not bred with the SOP in mind.