The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[NestingHillsSC]

Ron!!

 

[Robert Blosl]

This is the story of my old line that is present today that some of you have called Mohawks.

I sent ten started chicks to a young man as a junior named Simmons fro Callahan Florida about 20 years ago and he still has the strain which Matt 1616 got two pair from about two years ago. These are the ones with the dark black quill color.
Next about 17 years ago I sent Greg Chamness 10 chicks and he later bought 7 adult birds I sold a guy from a man in Kentucky who was ill and crossed them onto his birds. He has kept them pure and the only person who has this line we know of is Paul in Colorado who got some chicks from Greg about 5 years ago. Some of you have Paul’s line and some have got some from Greg as well.
About three years ago Matt 1616 got two males and two hens and one pullet and brought them home along with the line from Florida I just talked about.
Next the St Romaine line was picked up at my house about ten years ago maybe longer. I gave them five pullets and 5 ckls about four months old for their son. When they grew up for about four or five years this young man won like no buddies business and the old guys my friends in Louisiana and Arkansas told me they where some of the best Reds they ever saw and he won big beating adults every where he showed. This kid was a master for his age and did something right year in and year out until he went on to college. His mother told me they crossed some rose combs on as they started having troubles and that was about it I did get some eggs from here and after raising them I did not see anything like Ron has right now or what I sent them.
About three years ago what I saw later was two males that Ricky Bates had raised and he asked me what I thought of them. They were killers two males long just like I was use to seeing in a good R I Red. Ricky was killed in a tree accident and Ron came along and got the adult birds and some chicks and I sent him the picture that Ricky sent me and told him to keep hatching and looking for males like these two guys and he should in no time locate their germ plasma and he would be off to the races which I think he is already from what I have seen last year with one male next to the fence he posted and some of the chicks you have posted already that you have gotten from Ron.
First forget about the Rose Comb cross and what we are seeing today. There is no birds that I can see that Ron has that has a trace of this in them. I think there where to families and Ricky was a good enough Red breeder of Bantams over 30 years he got rid of that stuff.
So Ron’s line is one on of my favorites and many of you have them. That’s all that counts. Do these have Reese or Bobs old Mohawk line in them I hope so. Should they be called Reese birds? No they are Ron’s birds and his eye and mind’s eye will bring them to the forefront.
What about my old birds are they Mr. Reese’s line yes. Is Mr. Reese’s line Mrs. Donaldson Line from 1912. Yes. I do this in respect to all their hard work to preserve this line. There is no line that is still pure like what they did and I tried to do the same with a little twist and now Greg and Mr. Simmons have done the same. You who have these lines I hope you will do the same. Matt 1616 lives 20 miles from me and I see his work and he has done a bag up job as good a I could to bring the old southern genes back to the south. There are issues that had changed a little from being up in Illinois for 17 years but we are getting them use to the warm southern hot humid air and we have crossed the two lines which I call half and half and got that black quill color on the new half and half chicks. Hope this clears that up. We still have the pure Illinois line as well or Matt does. Not worried one little bit as he knows what he is doing.

Now let’s get back and enjoy whatever line you have whatever name you want to call it and if you want to call it your line in a year or two you should because you who carry the feed bucket and put the matting’s together are what ends up on the yard good or bad. You can however, tell a buyer where you got them from as there is nothing wrong doing that. I am proud of these old Reds we call Reese or Mohawks I am proud of all of you who own and are trying to keep them going.
I am also proud of the other strains that I call true R I Reds that you see on this tread.
Sorry for the long drawn out story but that’s the truth and you can take that to the bank

Going home tomorrow Steve and Matt been in the hospital for two days for a infected hand. I will live to hatch 200 red bantam chicks next spring says my Dr.

Bob​

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[NestingHillsSC]

This is the story of my old line that is present today that some of you have called Mohawks.

I sent ten started chicks to a young man as a junior named Simmons fro Callahan Florida about 20 years ago and he still has the strain which Matt 1616 got two pair from about two years ago. These are the ones with the dark black quill color.
Next about 17 years ago I sent Greg Chamness 10 chicks and he later bought 7 adult birds I sold a guy from a man in Kentucky who was ill and crossed them onto his birds. He has kept them pure and the only person who has this line we know of is Paul in Colorado who got some chicks from Greg about 5 years ago. Some of you have Paul’s line and some have got some from Greg as well.
About three years ago Matt 1616 got two males and two hens and one pullet and brought them home along with the line from Florida I just talked about.
Next the St Romaine line was picked up at my house about ten years ago maybe longer. I gave them five pullets and 5 ckls about four months old for their son. When they grew up for about four or five years this young man won like no buddies business and the old guys my friends in Louisiana and Arkansas told me they where some of the best Reds they ever saw and he won big beating adults every where he showed. This kid was a master for his age and did something right year in and year out until he went on to college. His mother told me they crossed some rose combs on as they started having troubles and that was about it I did get some eggs from here and after raising them I did not see anything like Ron has right now or what I sent them.
About three years ago what I saw later was two males that Ricky Bates had raised and he asked me what I thought of them. They were killers two males long just like I was use to seeing in a good R I Red. Ricky was killed in a tree accident and Ron came along and got the adult birds and some chicks and I sent him the picture that Ricky sent me and told him to keep hatching and looking for males like these two guys and he should in no time locate their germ plasma and he would be off to the races which I think he is already from what I have seen last year with one male next to the fence he posted and some of the chicks you have posted already that you have gotten from Ron.
First forget about the Rose Comb cross and what we are seeing today. There is no birds that I can see that Ron has that has a trace of this in them. I think there where to families and Ricky was a good enough Red breeder of Bantams over 30 years he got rid of that stuff.
So Ron’s line is one on of my favorites and many of you have them. That’s all that counts. Do these have Reese or Bobs old Mohawk line in them I hope so. Should they be called Reese birds? No they are Ron’s birds and his eye and mind’s eye will bring them to the forefront.
What about my old birds are they Mr. Reese’s line yes. Is Mr. Reese’s line Mrs. Donaldson Line from 1912. Yes. I do this in respect to all their hard work to preserve this line. There is no line that is still pure like what they did and I tried to do the same with a little twist and now Greg and Mr. Simmons have done the same. You who have these lines I hope you will do the same. Matt 1616 lives 20 miles from me and I see his work and he has done a bag up job as good a I could to bring the old southern genes back to the south. There are issues that had changed a little from being up in Illinois for 17 years but we are getting them use to the warm southern hot humid air and we have crossed the two lines which I call half and half and got that black quill color on the new half and half chicks. Hope this clears that up. We still have the pure Illinois line as well or Matt does. Not worried one little bit as he knows what he is doing.

Now let’s get back and enjoy whatever line you have whatever name you want to call it and if you want to call it your line in a year or two you should because you who carry the feed bucket and put the matting’s together are what ends up on the yard good or bad. You can however, tell a buyer where you got them from as there is nothing wrong doing that. I am proud of these old Reds we call Reese or Mohawks I am proud of all of you who own and are trying to keep them going.
I am also proud of the other strains that I call true R I Reds that you see on this tread.
Sorry for the long drawn out story but that’s the truth and you can take that to the bank

Going home tomorrow Steve and Matt been in the hospital for two days for a infected hand. I will live to hatch 200 red bantam chicks next spring says my Dr.

Bob​

Very nicely said Sir!

 

[Fred's Hens]

We might also say this. There were and still are a lot of really good Red birds in the Ohio, Penn, and on up into NY and New England. A bunch of those guys aren't on BYC much so we don't hear their names called a lot.

 

[catdaddyfro]

Yes Bob your hand is too far from the heart to do enough damage to put you in the dirt for sure. Yes you'll be around for a good while I'd imagine, esp if gumption has anything to do with it +a little touch of oneryness too, LOL here's a get well soon wish for ya Bob.

Jeff

 

[catdaddyfro]

We might also say this. There were and still are a lot of really good Red birds in the Ohio, Penn, and on up into NY and New England. A bunch of those guys aren't on BYC much so we don't hear their names called a lot.

You betcha they are hey that's where the RIRs come from originally. They know how to breed'em good up that way for sure.

Jeff

Midwest too IN, IL cornbelt birds

 

[immyjay54]

As for the Horstman Birds, his RC's came from Tim Bowles and Rick Bond. That is right on his site and Dick told me right out of his mouth that the SC came from Mr. Kittle.

Here's my take on the line names. I have some birds from Matt that he had taken some from Florida and Illinois of the same birds, crossed them and did a fine job. I will always call these Matt's Old Reese birds. lol
I will always give the breeder that I get my birds from credit for what they've done but to me the old fellers that worked with them so long ago should always be mentioned someway. I know we don't breed names but heck if it doesn't mean anything then why do we ask what line they are. lol
Jim

 

[SallyinIndiana]

Glad to hear you are going home soon Bob.

 

[Chickens Naturally]

I couldn't upload with my browser for some reason. Wondered if I could get some feedback on these, they aren't mine, but very similar to some that I owned years ago.




It worked YaY

Ok, just talked to the husband. I don’t know if I have a hard time following some folks or if they have a hard time explaining, lol, but this is what I got out of it. He said they have roosters out of this mating, but sold the hens (?!) and bred them over their ‘lighter colored’ reds. Could’ve been cherry eggers for all I know I lost the connection and called back and got a voice mail. I left a message so we shall see? So what do you all think? Assuming that ‘their reds’ aren’t production reds would this be worth pursuing? I haven’t seen their birds yet he said they look real good. If they are of good type? I know if they crossed them it could take a few years to make something out of them, just wondering if it may even be worth going to look at. Gotta go soon so may be a later before I read any thoughts.

 

[Fred's Hens]

Save yourself a ton of headaches and get some straight birds from a known, reliable source. Caveat emptor.