The Legbar Thread!

[dretd]

I just went over to Jill Rees' site for which the link was posted above.  If you check out the gallery for pictures, I find three of them very interesting.  While these three pictures could have been affected by lighting, etc., these three pictures seem to show hens/pullets that have the cream gene but are expressing a very, very slight gold tinge in the hackles (this could easily be my bad eyes or monitor effects) and certainly gold in the crests.

These pictures are:

• Second Row, first two pictures from the left.
• Fifth Row (last row), fourth picture from the left

I agree with ChicCat, either Jill is incredibly petite or that is one incredibly huge cream legbar hen in her arms.

There is a lot to say both good and bad about the birds in the photos. There is one roo that has very dropped wings and a squirrel tail, for instance.

I think the hens you refer to certianly have a more true cream (vs silvery white) hackle color, moreover the SOP calls for a salmon colored breast well defined in outline and I think that the silvery white ones have washed-out breasts that blend into the body. So yay for cream but on the far end of the spectrum it does not come without consequences for the other color aspects of the hens. I think the speculation right now has been a lack of autosomal red for the super-pale cream going hand in hand with the washed out breasts.

eta-edited to correct autocorrect-induced typos

 

[TheTropix]

Ok Chickie, put da boid on ice. lmao

 

[dretd]

I wonder if GFF are getting Birds from Jill Rees and a new wave of people will be getting them....

The next question is: if you were one of the first in to have the colorful birds GFF were breeding back in the day.. would you keep Jill Rees line separately from the colorful birds? would you allow them to breed together? doing so will improve GFF colorful line but will be a set back to Jill rees line........


I would devise a breeding plan on how to improve the more popular(or larger breeding base) coloful birds with Jill Rees line.....


OR.... Start from Scratch and just beed Jill rees line?....

what would you do?

I have no doubt they will be quite popular. And I have to wonder if GFF will be charging a premium for them--any news on pricing?

I have no plans to add them, myself. I have a closed flock so it's hatching eggs for me. I may consider buying second generation from another breeder.

If I were to get some of her line I would integrate them into the flock as I have my own strategy on developing my flock. There are pluses and minuses for that strategy. It will be very interesting to see the chicks from her line as they grow out. I suspect that some folks will be disappointed in them and others really happy.

 

[blackbirds13]

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I agree. I am thinking of acquiring some and breeding them separately and also mixed with my own to see what the differences are. I believe GFF will probably put them on auction first just as they have been doing of late as a way to garner interest and pricing, then open up for private sales. I admire Jill Rees but I do not think her birds are the 'Holy Grail' of Cream Legbars as she herself states she only has 5 years of experience with them. I do not see them the same way as I would a Bev Davis Marans or a Paul Smith Ameraucana but the quality I would say has got to be the best they have offered thus far and I do not wish to take that away from either GFF or Ms. Rees. I guess it's mostly curiosity for comparison and since I have pretty much availed myself to almost all their lines why stop now as I'm pretty happy with my own birds currently.

 

[horsedirt]

Here's a pic of my Roo.What do you guys think of his color? I'm going to Greenfire next week to look and probably buy some if their new line..

True scruntiny is appreciated. His comb is a little wonky.

 

[HaplessRunner]

Here's a pic of my Roo.What do you guys think of his color? I'm going to Greenfire next week to look and probably buy some if their new line.. True scruntiny is appreciated. His comb is a little wonky.

He has potential and a number of mine are similarly colored. His comb is wonky due to the apparent large crest causing it to be pushed. He has very nice yellow legs. It is hard to evaluate tail angle given the his in process stride. He is worth growing out to see how he further develops and fills out.

 

[stake]

CCL folks:

Opinions welcome...I have just hatched my first three chicks mixed CCL roo over BOs and GLWs...pics below...both of the BOs typed chicks have a black mark on the top of their head...hope the pic shows it .....its this a variant of the white marking on CCLs???

 

[DCchicken]

CCL folks:

Opinions welcome...I have just hatched my first three chicks mixed CCL roo over BOs and GLWs...pics below...both of the BOs typed chicks have a black mark on the top of their head...hope the pic shows it .....its this a variant of the white marking on CCLs???

From my experience with CCLs, the white spot is only one indication of sex as it can be found on BOTH the male and the female chicks. The females must have a clearly defined triangle (stripe down the back) If the female has a spot, it should be small. The males should have clearly identifiable white spot, no triangle (stripe) and a pale (silvery) down. In other words, the female should really look a chipmunk. If there is any confusion at the time of birth, I tag the bird and do not use it in any future breeding pairs. Females that have not so clear markings at birth should be used only for egg production.

So it is more a combination of markings than just one that makes autosexing work on breeds such as CCLs, Bielefelders, Rhodebars, etc. I hope this helps.

 

[horsedirt]

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He has potential and a number of mine are similarly colored.  His comb is wonky due to the apparent large crest causing it to be pushed.  He has very nice yellow legs.  It is hard to evaluate tail angle given the his in process stride.  He is worth growing out to see how he further develops and fills out.

Thank you! THANK you! Much appreciated!

 

[lonnyandrinda]

CCL folks:

Opinions welcome...I have just hatched my first three chicks mixed CCL roo over BOs and GLWs...pics below...both of the BOs typed chicks have a black mark on the top of their head...hope the pic shows it .....its this a variant of the white marking on CCLs???

I think you are asking if these chicks are sex-linked?

Sex-links happen one of two ways:
Non-barred rooster over barred hen (like Black Copper Marans over Cream Legbar hen)

or Gold-based breed X Silver-based breed (like Cream Legbar X Silver-laced wyandotte)

You would have neither here. Your rooster is barred so you can't sex by the headspot- all offspring will have a tiny headspot and will grow up barred.

Cream Legbars are gold based. I may be incorrect in my assumption but I believe that buff orpingtons are gold based. And obviously gold-laced wyandottes are gold based. So you cannot get gold X silver sex-linkage.