The Legbar Thread!

[cjwaldon]

DCchicken, why do you say the OAC chart is inaccurate? I already have one. If I purchase another one, will the colors on the new one not match the one I already have? Or the one anyone else has? I'm a bit confused. I don't care what a color is named, or numbered, as long as someone can say "my eggs are OAC253, anybody who has an OAC chart can look at that color and know what color my eggs are. I don't think our colors have to be Pantone accurate, just consistent with whatever system we end up using, consistent both between multiple users and over time. I don't know how to calibrate my PC to be Pantone accurate, or my printer, or my TV, or my camera. I know my camera does not capture reds accurately. I'm not sure any amount of calibrating will fix that, else the manufacturer would have already fixed it. Nor do I want to print on various paper stock to see how the color looks on matte paper, glossy paper, photo paper, etc. And I would always wonder if I did it right or if my printer is mixing the colors right. Maybe the Pantone system is a lot easier than I'm envisioning. It seems a bit complicated and I'd rather just buy a booklet or chart and know that anyone else who has that same chart is looking at the same colors I am. But as if often the case, I'm probably missing some small detail or skimmed over a post too quickly to fully understand and buy into the Pantone idea, so please don't take this post as an attack. I just don't get it.

 

[DCchicken]

DCchicken, why do you say the OAC chart is inaccurate? I already have one. If I purchase another one, will the colors on the new one not match the one I already have? Or the one anyone else has? I'm a bit confused. I don't care what a color is named, or numbered, as long as someone can say "my eggs are OAC253, anybody who has an OAC chart can look at that color and know what color my eggs are. I don't think our colors have to be Pantone accurate, just consistent with whatever system we end up using, consistent both between multiple users and over time. I don't know how to calibrate my PC to be Pantone accurate, or my printer, or my TV, or my camera. I know my camera does not capture reds accurately. I'm not sure any amount of calibrating will fix that, else the manufacturer would have already fixed it. Nor do I want to print on various paper stock to see how the color looks on matte paper, glossy paper, photo paper, etc. And I would always wonder if I did it right or if my printer is mixing the colors right. Maybe the Pantone system is a lot easier than I'm envisioning. It seems a bit complicated and I'd rather just buy a booklet or chart and know that anyone else who has that same chart is looking at the same colors I am. But as if often the case, I'm probably missing some small detail or skimmed over a post too quickly to fully understand and buy into the Pantone idea, so please don't take this post as an attack. I just don't get it.

It's actually not very complicated as to why I call OAC not accurate. There is no way to calibrate it to anything nor does it contain a very large number of colors. There is also no relation to a family of colors. For example, if I choose a color in a Pantone (or similar calibrated system), of say an imaginary color called "Chesapeake Bay Blue", that color may or may not be close to the color of my CL egg. Pantone is a family of colors. So I can start with say Chesapeake Bay Blue and further refine it using more detailed charts. With OAC, you are limited to whatever "Blue" someone decided to include on their chart. There are no family of colors. So your egg better match OAC253. Because if they don't, then it has to match some other color on the OAC chart. But what happens if it does not? Does the color simply not exist?

Then if you wish to share the color by taking a picture, all bets are off. There is no OAC setting (profile) to enable in my photo editing software (nor on my monitor, nor on my printer, etc.). For correct color correction on an image, you must be using one of the RECOGNIZED color calibration systems. Plus with a system like Pantone, the color has a corresponding web color, hex color, CMYK color, etc. In other words, you could take the imaginary "Chesapeake Bay Blue" in a Pantone chart and find the equivalent in a paint store fan deck even if it was called "Gulf Bay Blue". A color from one calibrated color system can be exist as many different "marketing" name and from several different companies.

I have no idea what color OAC253 is unless I go buy a OAC chart and hope that I can match it to my egg. What happens if I cannot buy an OAC chart? Or don't want to? That's why we need a more universal and calibrated color chart.

BTW, I think the Aracuana chart is actually calibrated. But since I don't have one to analyze, someone else might know this info.

Would it make sense to start a new Thread for this? There are probably some people that don't really care about what color chart we use.

 

[CibolaChooks]

OAC chart is way cheep enough. Kpenley was even giving free ones to people in her region awhile back who joined the club. OAC serves its purpose and you cant make everyone happy. If a new thread was started to discuss this i dont see many people using it. I forget where I seen it but someone translated OAC color numbers to the Corresponding color numbers in the Ameraucana color chart . Its like Dtred said the breeders eyes is what makes an accurate assessment of what color the egg is. The color test showed us that. I like the OAC chart it has a page for greens and has a page for blues and it has a green blue page in between when I find my eggs color I know how close it is to the green page or how close it is to the blue page depending on how far up or down on the page its color lies.

 

[DCchicken]

I don't understand how OAC will be cheaper. I intend to make the chart free to download. Or if you want it can also be professionally printed at some place like a Cafe Press. Honestly I don't really care which color chart people use. However as a Cream Legbar breeder, I plan on distributing my chart and poster with every
Legbar I sell. So it's likely that we will have 2 color charts in the future: one that was designed for selling stuff on EBay and one that is based upon Pantone and tailored specifically for Cream Legbars. People are free to choose the color chart that best suits their needs. I love choice. It makes life more interesting.

 

[ChicKat]

I don't understand how OAC will be cheaper. I intend to make the chart free to download. Or if you want it can also be professionally printed at some place like a Cafe Press. Honestly I don't really care which color chart people use. However as a Cream Legbar breeder, I plan on distributing my chart and poster with every
Legbar I sell. So it's likely that we will have 2 color charts in the future: one that was designed for selling stuff on EBay and one that is based upon Pantone and tailored specifically for Cream Legbars. People are free to choose the color chart that best suits their needs. I love choice. It makes life more interesting.

Whooo HOOO --

Here is a thread that I started with the focus on poultry coloration.......

Hopefully, DCchicken -- you could summarize your thoughts for anyone who happens on that thread...and then didn't read this. Or if you already started a thread... this one can point to yours.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...-chart-for-egg-and-plumage-colors-of-chickens

 

[CibolaChooks]

I like the ability to choose to. Everyones different and likes different things. Free is nice. But it would have to be professionally printed. people have different printers and they all don't print color the same or am I wrong?

 

[enola]

And some of don't even have a printer.......

 

[DCchicken]

I like the ability to choose to. Everyones different and likes different things. Free is nice. But it would have to be professionally printed. people have different printers and they all don't print color the same or am I wrong?

Most modern printers are calibrated to Pantone or the free web equivalent. That is kind of the reason to use Pantone as the starting point for the chart. 10 years ago you would have to buy an expensive printer. But most ink jets are pretty accurate these days. However I think most people will probably just want to pay the nominal fee for a professional printer place like Cafe Press.

 

[DMRippy]

I will respectful disagree about a home printer being accurate. never have had some that was. even my 4 color laser printer is not accurate. the best thing would be to print them up and sell them you can offer a free PDF version so people could print it out on the cheap but I don't think it would be a good reference.

I didn't work with PRINTING my business was way more specialized. I know most printers are 4 color and that can be different than PMS as they are spot colors. that is what I used was spot colors. that is also how home printers print in 4 color. everything would have to be PERFECT for a home printer to get it right. I have 4 printers all the same age and model and I would bet they would all print it differently.

 

[DCchicken]

I will respectful disagree about a home printer being accurate. never have had some that was. even my 4 color laser printer is not accurate. the best thing would be to print them up and sell them you can offer a free PDF version so people could print it out on the cheap but I don't think it would be a good reference.

I didn't work with PRINTING my business was way more specialized. I know most printers are 4 color and that can be different than PMS as they are spot colors. that is what I used was spot colors. that is also how home printers print in 4 color. everything would have to be PERFECT for a home printer to get it right. I have 4 printers all the same age and model and I would bet they would all print it differently.

Did you load the correct color profile for each printer you have? Most printers sold for us at home are calibrated at the factory. However, as with anything, they can loose their calibration over time. So you may need to recalibrate or make some adjustments. Even a $100,000 professional printing press needs calibration from time to time. But that's the point of using a system that can be calibrated. You can print the chart and compare it to a Pantone bar for calibration if you think the colors are off. No technology is ever perfect.

But like I said, most people will probably just opt for purchasing it from a discount online printing service like Cafe Press.