The Legbar Thread!

[chicken pickin]

That chart is NOT in the form of a color progression either. You know like the ones at the paint store. the colors from one side to the other are not even in the same color family..... like a green blue next to a really blue blue. All the blues should be together and all the green blues together and the gray blues together and so on. I can look at colors and say "OH that needs more.... green, blue yellow".... and that would help me find the right color.

I am going to try to post a pic. I got this for FREE at the paint store. I don't think they had many but it would sure be a better start. I have to put the pic up from my phone so it will be a different post.

I think they separate the color tones like that so the eye can easily recognize each color. With blues and greens already being a hard tone for people to recognize, having them grouped in its own color range would be harder to find the color you were trying to match. Staggering them makes it easier to find. If that makes sense.

 

[DMRippy]

So when you FIND the right color you can just go down the page and find the right shade. It really does help. Also the one pictured from Ams breeders club is on GLOSSY type paper.... that is a NO NO! The paper needs to be a MATTE finish. The color is most true on reg paper. Glossy papers will show a glare from the light and the ink will not look the same. As a printer we had to explain all that to customers. A real PMS book has a reg. Matte paper sections and a GLOSSY paper section and even how it would change with more than one coat of ink.

 

[DMRippy]

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I disagree. The reason that paint chips are like that is for a reason. PMS books are the same way. When you FIND the right color you can then find the RIGHT SHADE of the color. See the post below.

 

[ChicKat]

That chart is NOT in the form of a color progression either. You know like the ones at the paint store. the colors from one side to the other are not even in the same color family..... like a green blue next to a really blue blue. All the blues should be together and all the green blues together and the gray blues together and so on. I can look at colors and say "OH that needs more.... green, blue yellow".... and that would help me find the right color.

I am going to try to post a pic. I got this for FREE at the paint store. I don't think they had many but it would sure be a better start. I have to put the pic up from my phone so it will be a different post.

That may be one of the reasons that it is difficult to use that chart.... if it were a color progression, then you could slide along and get the closest match. The way it is you have to jump.

Looking forward to see what you got at the paint store.......

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Wow Donna, that is a fabulous color chart! I've never seen one like that at stores except for ones behind the counter they will let you look at but not keep. :/

 

[DMRippy]

Wow Donna, that is a fabulous color chart! I've never seen one like that at stores except for ones behind the counter they will let you look at but not keep. :/

I just looked on ebay there are several different ones there for under $20

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/paint-color-samples

I will also ad that to use the brand name PMS for a color would require permission from Pantone..... I think. That is way companies rename their colors. They KNOW what PMS number it is.

 

[ChicKat]

to add to the mix....

The chart(s) which ever are landed upon will have the greatest value and utility if the most people have them. Can't image an APA judge toting a color chart while judging can you?

 

[DCchicken]

The color chart shown above is called a fan deck. They are usually used by interior decorators or painters. The colors will all have a marketing name for the color. However, the color will have a code which can be converted into a Pantone color (or even a CMYK or web color) depending upon the application. Fan decks are good for picking paint colors or fabric colors. They are not as food for picking a color out of a family of colors. Charts and posters are better for that. Probably we will need to have a quick reference chart (portable and useful for quick reference) and a poster. These could be be printed using any printer. In addition we can have a chart with big color patches that you could hold an egg up to and say that is Pantone Ocean Blue or color code XXXXX. Because both the poster and the reference card would be calibrated, you could take a picture of the egg and then use a photo editing software to create a web calibrated photo of a Legbar or the egg. And then (and this is the big if) people had taken the time to calibrate their monitor to Pantone, the image would display the correct color for say the red comb of the Cream Legbar.

You cannot do that with an inaccurate system such as OAC. That's why we would need a calibrated system like Pantone (or the free web color equivalents of Pantone). Then when people say "is the color Cream or Gold?" someone can actually load up the photo in a photo editing program and say "Oh that's Pantone Sunshine Cream" (I don't know if that is actually a color as I just made up the name).

If an APA judge really wanted to judge by exact colors, then they already can by purchasing a portable Pantone scanner. You just hold it up to the color (in this case a feather or egg) and press the button. It will scan and analyze the color and tell you the Pantone color code. The portable devices cost between $200 and go as high as $10,000. It just depends on how accurate you want to be.

Personally I plan on using the chart and poster so that when people ask about a pullet for sale, I can describe the pullet for sale with actual calibrated colors. Then if the buyer does not have the chart (or poster), I can email them it or tell the to go to the hardware store and be able to tell them it's the same as Valspar Summer Sunshine, for example. That's the beauty of a cross-platform calibrated color system. You don't need to all have the same chart. You just can't do that with a system that just threw together colors without any cross-calibrated reference chart.

 

[WHmarans]

If a judge seems unlikely to tote a color chart how likely are they to tote a $10,000 color scanner?

Being this exact about color doesn't make sense to me with living things I can't even match color on a multifaceted feather anyway.

If OAC had more creams to choose from I'd be happy to stop there.

Since 1. It doesn't. 2. OAC might not always be available over time. It would be nice to have a club chart.

 

[DeannaA]

Ihave an older Pratt and Lambert paint fan deck but they have already changed their numbers and names of colors twice. I'm sure not many others have one so it doesn't help much. I don't have anything to cross reference it to. There has to be a medium between price and accuracy. Accurate is better but not practical if it is too expensive, too difficult to find, too complicated to use or to bulky to carry around. SOme think $20 is not expensive but it is for quite a few. Most chicken people I meet are on a tight buget.