The Legbar Thread!

Here's something else for the mix....

we all know that canary bird are yellow -- right? In the book "The Practice of Breeding to Type" by C. J. Davies, he distinguishes between the inherited characteristics that result from breeding and those that are not inherited although they may appear in the parents. for example two dogs with a docked tail will produce pups with normal tails. Red canaries are created by feeding specific foods to canaries. The foods must be refed at molt time and the birds must be protected from light. The ability to absorb pigment to their feathers may be an inherited characteristic, but, the pigment of a canary hatched from red parents will be normal unless it is fed the feed that creates red plumage. Among the food that colors them is Carotene.

https://www.google.com/search?q=red...rViwLTx4GoDQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=954

http://birdtee.com/Colorfeeding.htm

Now CLs, as a blue egg layer can use carotene to deepen the shades of eggshells. I'm wondering if the feed may have an influence on the coloration of the plumage. I'm feeding a lot of carotene to my birds right now...I wonder if I am turning them red? LOL

Once the color feed is discontinued and with subsequent molts, or when the birds are bleached by the sun - the red disappears.....

ChicKat, I think you are brilliant. I've been thinking about your post and I am wondering if this may be a key part to why our Cream Legbars seem so much more colorful than the Brits. Each bird will have its own genetic potential for producing red plumage based on perhaps their mysterious Autosomal Red gene/s they have.

The British typically don't use corn (they call is maize) much because the climate is better suited to other grains (called generically corn). This has been nagging me since you posted this so I took a peek to see if I can find out the make up of UK poultry feed. I didn't find much but, in the few I did find they list soybeans and wheat. Some say they add ingredients to increase the yellow and some say they specifically exclude that pigment. I am willing to bet that in Punnett's day there was no maize added to the feed and moreover they didn't know that the carotenoids were important for color development (the first I remember hearing of that was maybe in the '70 when they figured out why the flamingos in zoos faded to grey or pale creamy pink).

So maybe if you fed the corn-based American feed to Punnett's birds, they would actually appear more colorful than the descriptions available to us.

Could someone try an experiment and feed non-corn based, non-marigold petal enriched etc... feed to their rooster prior to and during their molt to see if it makes a difference in the color of the plumage?
 
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Well, I just stated my opinion on your pic on the facebook group, looks like you stirred up a big mess over there
?? Opinion that plumage can be influenced by what the bird consumes?

There's more that may be related to the feed and the pigments..we have discussed this elsewhere, too- carotenoids influenced (darkened) the color of eggshells in sea birds. It could be that or blue eggs here are bluer---and we pay more attention to eggshell color of CLs than they do in UK....just sayin' -- it would all go together.
 
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Beautiful birds.
I think so too! There is a member of the Cream Legbar Club in the UP - I think from your list of animals and chickens that you need to get some Cream Legbars... JMO
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?? Opinion that plumage can be influenced by what the bird consumes?

There's more that may be related to the feed and the pigments..we have discussed this elsewhere, too- carotenoids influenced (darkened) the color of eggshells in sea birds.   It could be that or blue eggs here are bluer---and we pay more attention to eggshell color of CLs than they do in UK....just sayin' -- it would all go together. 


Oops, the quote didn't show up, darn phone. My post was about horsedirt's colorful rooster
 
I posted a pic of my rooster with full disclosure that I knew he's too colorful for breeding. They ripped me and my chickens to pieces.And said that if a chicken that does not meet the standard cannot be considered a Cream Legbar.I used the example of Thoroughbred horses (of which I can say I am an educated.Hands on as formet Vet Tech etc. as I have been in the biz 30 yrs or so and give horse farm tours to hundreds of people)
I mentioned that a Thoroughbred can have lots of color ( there is a colorful "paint"that is a stakes winner in the UK whom is quite a celebrity actually) have terrible confirmation,deformed etc. However as poor an example of the breed this horse is, since its parents are Thoroughbred. Its a Thoroughbred no matter what it looks like.
 

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