The Legbar Thread!

[GaryDean26]

Curtis I lost my pullet from you overnight last night. ....

Darn...

 

[TheTropix]

DMRippy: You mean they don't BREED TRUE like ALL the other breeds I have that are perfect??? & They are very pretty birds even the WRONG ones."

Not just yet, but we're working on it! LOL & their color, at times, has been a source of disagreement. It'll all work itself out one way or the other. Some strongly like/prefer the less colorful, and some strongly like/prefer the ones with some color. Their history in this country has really just begun.

 

[TheTropix]

Rinda so sorry you lost some.

hope that you don't loose any more.

X2 Best of luck!

 

[DCchicken]

Yes, that is the whole idea....it is easy to handle, readily affordable, and people in two distant locations can be talking about the same color....

For sure I can say OAC179 for CL eggs.. I would like to have OAC214--that's not that far away. Thus everyone who has an OAC can look at the chart and know what color we are all talking about -- for far less than the price of Pantone....

Also the OAC tells you that often there isn't a spot on match -- so it will be something to the effect - "a bit lighter than OAC179" or "between OAC179 and OAC151" In the Cream Legbar Club's Clubhouse there is a posting that compares the OAC colors to the Araucana/Ameraucana charts too - should a person only have one or the other..... Rinda compiled it when we first started referencing OACs -- OAC seems easier to use/match.... Maybe because the swatches are larger and more discrete, the Araucana charts - always seemed really difficult to match with all my colored eggs...

We could all require analysis by
spectrophotometer

as in this scientific article
http://webs.uvigo.es/avelando/pdfs_archivos/moralesetal2011BESa.pdf


"Avian eggshell color is remarkably variable among and
within species and its possible function has long been
debated. "

If the APA used Pantone -- There would still be a range of colors required...It isn't really just a one color for any species that I know of, and I believe that the colors change throughout the birds life - both in egg shell and plumage. (As reinforced by the scientific article above- diet/nutrition can cause color difference from one egg to the next.) So if your hen lays color xyz on Pantone, spectrophotometer, or paper chart in April - and you sell her to someone who feeds a high carotenoid diet - or marigold petals or vitamins, she could lay a slightly different color in August......

The main advantage of Pantone is that it covers almost every color the human eye can capture. OAC is very limited in its colors. Your television, you monitor, even the paint at the pain store were all calibrated and developed using Pantone. With Pantone, there is a CMYk code for each color. Likewise there are RGB and HEX code equivalents for every Pantone color. For example, Pantone 12-0715 TCX is Double Cream. That color will be exactly the same on every Pantone television, computer monitor, iPad, cellphone, paint chip, etc. The same is not ture for OAC. If I take a picture of the cream coloring on one of my CCL pullets, I can then use Photoshop (or any other photo editing software) and it will tell me the Pantone color for that cream coloring on my Cream Legbar. I can print the photo on a high quality printer and have the exact cream color print out. I can also take Pantone color number to my local paint store and have them create a gallon of paint with the same color cream that is the Pantone color. I can then paint my coop that Pantone cream color. My coop and my bird will both have the same Pantone cream color. This all works because almost every industry has standardized on using a Pantone color scheme. You have to have this cross-platform and industry schema because the human brain interprets color differently. Simply saying make something "cream colored" is highly inaccurate.

Last time I checked, OAC does not have this broad reach or even a large number of colors. Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that the OAC system was created to sell stuff on an Auction site. I seriously doubt anyone would ever guarantee a color for an item that they were selling. Sounds ripe for a lawsuit or at least an unsatisfied customer.

I understand your point about the APA. However, earlier people were using OAC colors to try to determine "cream". If the APA judges were to use an exact color system like Pantone, we could have an exact definition of "cream". But since that would never be realistic for a judge to measure the "cream" color of a bird in a show, there should not be a lot of focus in a standard on the exact color of a bird. "Cream" will always be whatever color in the sprint of "cream" that the person wants it to be. To me that is more important than saying "oh no, my Cream Legbar is more Cloud Cream than Double Cream maybe I should not breed it". If a Legbar's color looks cream to you, then it is cream. It is not really important that it has too much gold or too little gold in it. The same is true for egg colors. If it is blue to you, then it is blue. If you want to verify it's color, spend the money on a standardized color system that is the gold standard of color standards.

BTW, ink used in printing contains chemicals that block fading from sunlight. Eventually the chemicals will break down. You can tell when a Pantone color chart has faded and should not be used. The surface will have a rough feel to it. So unless you are spending 7 figures publishing a scholarly journal where the images on print, web, and app need to match exactly (like I did), an old, used Pantone chart will do. Or you can use the paint samples and look up their corresponding Pantone color online. That would be free, except for your time. Plus no one really can go into a Home Depot or Lowes without buying something. So you will spend money either way.

 

[DCchicken]

X2.

Curtis I lost my pullet from you overnight last night. Third bird to this dratted weather this week. Number one was a young CL pullet (about 8 wks) in a new pen and slept up against the welded wire and the dog pulled her head through. Number two was an Isbar cockerel about 9 weeks old, best I can figure he got smothered in the coop that same night although that is rather old for smothering. I ran a light out to that pen last night so I haven't lost any more in there. Then last night your girl fell off the roost dead, but we were down at 0 F so it was C.O.L.D. for what they were used to. Yeesh I'm ready for us to get above freezing, twice a day water runs get OLD when we don't have water or electric out to the new chicken yard yet! We will be below freezing until at least middle of next week though.

Happy note- my last hatch was dismal, only 2 made it to hatch, but one was a very light CL male. He and his hatchmate (a BCM) and a slightly older Isbar chick are chilling in the shed in a borrowed brooder with a 125 watt bulb and a cardboard box to keep the heat in. They seem to be staying nice and warm even though they are only 2 weeks old! I didn't post about him yet though becauseI thought he wouldn't make it as he had unabsorbed yolk or something that never fell off his navel. It's finally crusted over well and I think eventually it will come off on its own. The next batch of eggs in the bator all seem to be duds, but they were up to 3 weeks old when I set them. Not setting any more for a while until I can confirm fertility and the weather warms up a little.

Sorry to hear about your pullet. Do you think it was the actual low temperature or maybe moisture?

 

[DeannaA]

Maybe there could be a British Cream Legbar, less color and an American Cream Legbar, more color. Since the cream standard seems to be coming from Britian and the first Legbars here, and seem to be everywhere in the US, are more colorful. Then there could be a fued between the two sides. Mine are better, no mine are better. I'd be on the color side, seeing as how my rooster looks like a rainbow.

I know, I know, I can't use him. But I can't wait to see what he looks like when he's grown.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Success! The pure, single combed cockerel that has a good comb made it through last night (-25) with just the very tips of his comb turning a slight purple shade. If I can breed this better and produce a line of cold-hardy single combed pure birds to go along with my rose combed birds, I figure I am set! None of the hens in the open fronted pens show any sign of frost bite on their combs either, but then again they aren't laying so the combs aren't as big

 

[DCchicken]

Success! The pure, single combed cockerel that has a good comb made it through last night (-25) with just the very tips of his comb turning a slight purple shade. If I can breed this better and produce a line of cold-hardy single combed pure birds to go along with my rose combed birds, I figure I am set! None of the hens in the open fronted pens show any sign of frost bite on their combs either, but then again they aren't laying so the combs aren't as big

-25? Time to hitch the coops to the truck and move south. Did you use heat or any kind of forced ventilation in the coop?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

You couldn't pay me to live anywhere else. The rooster coop is just a 4' cube with an opening along the whole front side. There are 4 legbars, 1 sumatra, and 2 faverolles in there so they keep each other warm.

 

[KPenley]

Success! The pure, single combed cockerel that has a good comb made it through last night (-25) with just the very tips of his comb turning a slight purple shade. If I can breed this better and produce a line of cold-hardy single combed pure birds to go along with my rose combed birds, I figure I am set! None of the hens in the open fronted pens show any sign of frost bite on their combs either, but then again they aren't laying so the combs aren't as big

Congratulations!