The Moonshiner's Leghorns

[The Moonshiner]

So in a perfect world breed females without shredder genes to males with no wing patch or shredder genes?

Yes in a perfect world. When I started it was far from a perfect world. Every bird I got had it. I sourced some eggs from another breeder and they all had it. That was within the first couple years they were out.
The key for me was breeding to browns to make splits. I bred back to browns and splits a lot longer then most others did and still do now as much or more then I breed Isabellas to Isabellas.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Yes in a perfect world. When I started it was far from a perfect world. Every bird I got had it. I sourced some eggs from another breeder and they all had it. That was within the first couple years they were out.
The key for me was breeding to browns to make splits. I bred back to browns and splits a lot longer then most others did and still do now as much or more then I breed Isabellas to Isabellas.

And did making splits help with the issues?

 

[The Moonshiner]

And did making splits help with the issues?

For me it was the key to get past it.

 

[Prairie Chic]

So to understand at times for example you breed pattern "A" to pattern "B" and hatch pattern "C"? Pattern A and B are known patterns but pattern C is a pattern that didn't exist?
That's mad scientist stuff. How do you know how to do that? How do you know about something that doesn't exist?

 

[The Moonshiner]

This thread is amazing. I meant to sit down and check out 5 or 10 pages to see what it was about. Next thing I know I'm 35 pages deep and in awe. I had no idea. Can't wait to see what's next.

Thank you for taking the time to get as far as you did. Especially since it sounds like it wasn't your intensions. Ya most people think leghorns only come in a few colors. I like to show that's not the case.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Thank you for taking the time to get as far as you did. Especially since it sounds like it wasn't your intensions. Ya most people think leghorns only come in a few colors. I like to show that's not the case.

I always thought it was white and that brown ones were like super rare. Now I'm excited about a certain French flowered pattern

 

[The Moonshiner]

So to understand at times for example you breed pattern "A" to pattern "B" and hatch pattern "C"? Pattern A and B are known patterns but pattern C is a pattern that didn't exist?
That's mad scientist stuff. How do you know how to do that? How do you know about something that doesn't exist?

Sorta but its not quite that easy. There's also different ways it can or has to be done depending on what I'm trying to achieve. This answer could get long and confusing so I'll give a short versions.
I take pattern A and breed to pattern B. That gives me a batch of pattern A/Bs (mixed pattern) then I either breed the A/Bs to each other or back to either A or B. Then I hatch a variety of things with usually only a very few being pattern C.
Sometimes it even takes another generation to get to the pattern C.
How do I know how to do it or about something that don't exist? Because I'm more of a visionary. I can see a pattern and then imagine combining a different color or pattern with it. Sometimes i see a pattern in another breed or sometimes its just something that I see in my head.
I've been breeding birds a long time so I have an understanding of a lot of genes and how to breed for them and/or how they interact with other genes.
Hope that at least sorta answer some things.

 

[The Moonshiner]

I always thought it was white and that brown ones were like super rare. Now I'm excited about a certain French flowered pattern

Oh geez. Not you too.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Oh geez. Not you too.

If you could develop a chamois, I'd stop with the mille fleur

 

[The Moonshiner]

If you could develop a chamois, I'd stop with the mille fleur

What's a chamois? I can't remember ATM.