The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

It is illegal in some places to feed meat be it raw or cooked to animals.

.mad cow disease is the reason. They found the source and it is in meat products. That is the reason they feed a vegan diet to chickens since the litter from chickens is fed to cows and pigs. Mad cow disease is transferred to humans. We no longer allow cows and pigs from those countries imported to the US. One cow in the US had it and we closed all imports.

People cannot get mad cow disease. But in rare cases they may get a human form of mad cow disease called variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD),
This can happen if you eat nerve tissue (the brain and spinal cord) of cattle that were infected with mad cow disease. Over time, vCJD destroys the brain and spinal cord.


The first case of vCJD was reported in 1996. Since then, there have been a few cases of vCJD reported in the world. Most of the cases have been in countries that are part of the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland).
In December 2003, mad cow disease was discovered in one cow in the United States. Before this cow was found to have the disease, the cow was slaughtered and its muscle meat was sent to be sold in grocery stores. But its organs and nerve tissue were not used for human food. Although mad cow disease cannot be spread through muscle meat, the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) quickly traced the meat and removed it from grocery stores

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/mad-cow-disease-overview

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-greger-md/mad-cow-disease-california_b_1450994.html

http://extension.missouri.edu/p/G2077
 
Justine,

Thank you for the pictures..loved the one with the chicken foot..
Looks like those meaties were a good size and ready for processing.

They still got around VERY well at 12 weeks. I posted a video on FB but BYC does not support FB videos on here for embedding.

Here is the video.
I don't believe you have to be registered on FB to see it.

They were nice looking birds. I did keep two Delisha, and they were smaller girls. I know they don't breed true, but will they make a good cross with a BR? So they don't grow as fast as store bought chicks. How long did it take you to get them to grow fast enough for early processing?
 
They still got around VERY well at 12 weeks. I posted a video on FB but BYC does not support FB videos on here for embedding.

Here is the video.
I don't believe you have to be registered on FB to see it.

They were nice looking birds. I did keep two Delisha, and they were smaller girls. I know they don't breed true, but will they make a good cross with a BR? So they don't grow as fast as store bought chicks. How long did it take you to get them to grow fast enough for early processing?

Justine. Someone Al works with mentioned he brought in meaties from the states for that issue(That meat kings were treated somehow so they couldn't breed or something like that? Id never heard about that but then never researched it) But he has meat breeds that he breeds.
 
Justine. Someone Al works with mentioned he brought in meaties from the states for that issue(That meat kings were treated somehow so they couldn't breed or something like that? Id never heard about that but then never researched it) But he has meat breeds that he breeds.
With how heavy the males get, I don't know if it would be possible to raise a meatie male to breeding age, and if I did.. They may have issues reproducing because of the sheer size. Even free ranged boys fed very little were HUGE.
 
I am having a flea infestation of my cat. Which I have never had in all the time i have had cats. I don't know if it's the time of year, our new location, or what, but it's bad. and the normal flea treatment is not helping (which I hate using anyway because it cannot be good for the animals) I think that Aoxa had posted product that she uses on her animals in their water? I can't find the name of it, but wanted to try it. My poor cat has lost a bunch of hair off his back from the fleas. I feel like a terrible person and a worse pet owner right now
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amazingly they don't seem to be crawling out of the carpets (reasons why I hate carpets.) I prefer not to treat the house, because I have a parrot, and they are super sensetive to all the fumes from flea treatment products (and everything else). It could very well kill him. So I would have to relocate parrot, treat house, wait for fumes to totally disperse (several weeks to be safe) and then bring him back. Which, is kind of a nightmare. I've actually never had a flea problem before, and I've never treated the (indoor only) cat, just the dogs, now the dog has no fleas but the poor cat is infested. Feeling like a really bad pet mommy right now!

ETA: we're in a new house and have a bit of a mouse problem. Mice are in the basement, cat spends a fair amount of time in the basement hunting the mice. So maybe cat is getting fleas from mice? Would explain why dog and carpets have no fleas? Maybe I could treat the basement for fleas which is far enough away from parrot.... or maybe I could use DE? does that work on fleas? It's fume free....
 
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amazingly they don't seem to be crawling out of the carpets (reasons why I hate carpets.) I prefer not to treat the house, because I have a parrot, and they are super sensetive to all the fumes from flea treatment products (and everything else). It could very well kill him. So I would have to relocate parrot, treat house, wait for fumes to totally disperse (several weeks to be safe) and then bring him back. Which, is kind of a nightmare. I've actually never had a flea problem before, and I've never treated the (indoor only) cat, just the dogs, now the dog has no fleas but the poor cat is infested. Feeling like a really bad pet mommy right now!

I am having some trouble with fleas too. I have a 20 year old, indoor cat that doesn't tolerate insecticides at all. I am trying Sentry Natural Defense treatment, which uses peppermint, clove and lemongrass oil. So far, he seems more comfortable, I am finding less fleas and he is tolerating the treatment. Plus, he smells lovely. I did give him a bath before the treatment and removed as many of the fleas as possible. I have only found a couple of fleas in the carpet, but have been vacuuming every day, at least once. Since I started the obsessive vacuuming, I haven't found any more in the carpet. I imagine I will have to continue that ritual for several weeks to prevent an infestation.
 

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