The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

Delisha, I am so sorry to hear about your flock!! I hope you can save them! Hugs to you
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I haven't posted in a while but have been trying to keep up w/the thread. I posted photos about a month or so ago on the necropsy I did myself that prompted me to send the others to be done professionally since that bird just didn't look right. Some of you confirmed that thought! I received the results on my 3 birds that I sent to be necropsied.
I received the results on my 3 necropsied birds that I brought to the UMaine Animal Health Lab in Orono. The vet at the lab also called to discuss them. I have to say I'm disappointed...in myself. Bird 1 had mites. Bird 2 had extensive severe peritonitis. I think somone mentioned that in the necropsy photos I posted. Bird 3 had worms and coccidosis. All showed signs of malnutrition. I could have cried when I read that!! I ferment my feed, mix BOSS, flax seed & alfalfa pellets in with it. Let them free range when I can. They were getting leftover veggies from the local healthfood store and leftovers from our kitchen. I put ACV w/mother in their water. My husband constantly says those birds eat better than he does. I had treated everyone for mites & worms several weeks ago. Did 2 extensive coop clean outs. They said all 3 birds had undeveloped ovary and oviduct and would have probably never laid eggs. There were other things listed as rule outs which means they can't "rule out" that it could be something else.

They recommended:
1. test a fecal sample for parasites in the remaining birds
2. Check your feed for freshness. Don't ferment it; feed as instructed on the label. this is really important.
3. Add a vitamin mix to one of the waterers, follow label instructions.
4. Be sure to have enough feeder and waterer space and EXTRA so that low-ranking birds can all get feed and water simultaneous with the high-ranking ones.
5. Be sure your birds have grit/fine gravel so their gizzards can work.
6. Keep coops/housing clean, well-bedded and adequately ventilated in winter, so you don't notice an ammonia smell.
7. Get a copy of the Chicken health Handbook by Gail Damerow; useful info!
8. Weigh your birds, records results and send to the lab.

I have 2 waterers for 14 birds--1 in the pen & 1 in the coop. They said to add another one. I think I have enough feeder space with a small 2 cup dish, a 12 x 12 pan, and the 5’ gutter feeder in the pen for fermented feed. I wanted to make sure I had at least 3 feeding stations at different levels around the pen. I also have three 7 cup PVC pipe feeders in the coop for dry feed.

I feel like I'm doing my best for them but it's so disheartening to lose them then read those results!
 
Delisha, I am so sorry to hear about your flock!! I hope you can save them! Hugs to you
hugs.gif


I haven't posted in a while but have been trying to keep up w/the thread. I posted photos about a month or so ago on the necropsy I did myself that prompted me to send the others to be done professionally since that bird just didn't look right. Some of you confirmed that thought! I received the results on my 3 birds that I sent to be necropsied.
I received the results on my 3 necropsied birds that I brought to the UMaine Animal Health Lab in Orono. The vet at the lab also called to discuss them. I have to say I'm disappointed...in myself. Bird 1 had mites. Bird 2 had extensive severe peritonitis. I think somone mentioned that in the necropsy photos I posted. Bird 3 had worms and coccidosis. All showed signs of malnutrition. I could have cried when I read that!! I ferment my feed, mix BOSS, flax seed & alfalfa pellets in with it. Let them free range when I can. They were getting leftover veggies from the local healthfood store and leftovers from our kitchen. I put ACV w/mother in their water. My husband constantly says those birds eat better than he does. I had treated everyone for mites & worms several weeks ago. Did 2 extensive coop clean outs. They said all 3 birds had undeveloped ovary and oviduct and would have probably never laid eggs. There were other things listed as rule outs which means they can't "rule out" that it could be something else.

They recommended:
1. test a fecal sample for parasites in the remaining birds
2. Check your feed for freshness. Don't ferment it; feed as instructed on the label. this is really important.
3. Add a vitamin mix to one of the waterers, follow label instructions.
4. Be sure to have enough feeder and waterer space and EXTRA so that low-ranking birds can all get feed and water simultaneous with the high-ranking ones.
5. Be sure your birds have grit/fine gravel so their gizzards can work.
6. Keep coops/housing clean, well-bedded and adequately ventilated in winter, so you don't notice an ammonia smell.
7. Get a copy of the Chicken health Handbook by Gail Damerow; useful info!
8. Weigh your birds, records results and send to the lab.

I have 2 waterers for 14 birds--1 in the pen & 1 in the coop. They said to add another one. I think I have enough feeder space with a small 2 cup dish, a 12 x 12 pan, and the 5’ gutter feeder in the pen for fermented feed. I wanted to make sure I had at least 3 feeding stations at different levels around the pen. I also have three 7 cup PVC pipe feeders in the coop for dry feed.

I feel like I'm doing my best for them but it's so disheartening to lose them then read those results!

I am sorry this was the results and have no idea why your feeding situation was not working, from your description, seems like your chickens should have had everything they need.

I will continue w/ my fermented grains, I have been feeding them for 2 years have healthy, growing chickens, when I process them the insides have plenty of fat and good looking organs.
 
Thanks Kassaundra! That's what puzzles me! So many fermenters here. I swear I'm not using anything different than anyone here. I will feed dry for a while and start a small new batch of FF later on.
 
Thanks Kassaundra! That's what puzzles me! So many fermenters here. I swear I'm not using anything different than anyone here. I will feed dry for a while and start a small new batch of FF later on.

How many chickens do you have total, were those the only 3 or 4 affected? Did they come from the same source?
 
Thanks Kassaundra! That's what puzzles me! So many fermenters here. I swear I'm not using anything different than anyone here.  I will feed dry for a while and start a small new batch of FF later on.


Did they say what was the problem with fermenting the feed? It seems like there are a lot of variables going on ... So it would be interesting to know more about his reasons for each remcommendation.

I'm sure you can't help feeling responsible ... but it sounds to me like you put in every effort to give the birds the best.
 
Too cute!!




I think I killed all of my birds..

I am just sick..they have been acting off for two days and I attributed it to me not fermenting with the change in weather... I bought a new bag of crumbles and was going to feed that out through all of the storms. ..I had several downed adult healthy birds this morning and all of them are acting off..several dead chicks...the bag of feed is full of mold..I am doing molasses and hoping I can save some of them..but I think its too late..almost 50 lbs of poison I gave them..
Vicki,

2013 has simply been the worst year all around, and I am SO SORRY to hear this. Makes my stomach tighten and my heart drop.

I'm not a religious person, but I am praying for you here as well.
 
Delisha - I am so sorry to read about your birds. I'm also praying that the rest will be ok. Twice I've bought food from Tractor Supply that was moldy. Hugs to you. sue

I too have gotten moldy (Purina) food from Tractor Supply, on two separate occasions. I now buy Nutrena instead of Purina, and I buy it from Feldman's. I must say that the first time I found mold I emailed Purina and they were very prompt in sending me a coupon for a free bag. The 2nd time it happened, a few months later, I just took the bag back to TSC and they were very nice about about giving me a refund. But I was not interested in taking any more chances....
 
I received the results on my 3 birds that I sent to be necropsied.
I received the results on my 3 necropsied birds that I brought to the UMaine Animal Health Lab in Orono. The vet at the lab also called to discuss them. I have to say I'm disappointed...in myself. Bird 1 had mites. Bird 2 had extensive severe peritonitis. I think somone mentioned that in the necropsy photos I posted. Bird 3 had worms and coccidosis. All showed signs of malnutrition. I could have cried when I read that!! I ferment my feed, mix BOSS, flax seed & alfalfa pellets in with it. Let them free range when I can. They were getting leftover veggies from the local healthfood store and leftovers from our kitchen. I put ACV w/mother in their water. My husband constantly says those birds eat better than he does. I had treated everyone for mites & worms several weeks ago. Did 2 extensive coop clean outs. They said all 3 birds had undeveloped ovary and oviduct and would have probably never laid eggs. There were other things listed as rule outs which means they can't "rule out" that it could be something else.

They recommended:
1. test a fecal sample for parasites in the remaining birds
2. Check your feed for freshness. Don't ferment it; feed as instructed on the label. this is really important.
3. Add a vitamin mix to one of the waterers, follow label instructions.
4. Be sure to have enough feeder and waterer space and EXTRA so that low-ranking birds can all get feed and water simultaneous with the high-ranking ones.
5. Be sure your birds have grit/fine gravel so their gizzards can work.
6. Keep coops/housing clean, well-bedded and adequately ventilated in winter, so you don't notice an ammonia smell.
7. Get a copy of the Chicken health Handbook by Gail Damerow; useful info!
8. Weigh your birds, records results and send to the lab.

I have 2 waterers for 14 birds--1 in the pen & 1 in the coop. They said to add another one. I think I have enough feeder space with a small 2 cup dish, a 12 x 12 pan, and the 5’ gutter feeder in the pen for fermented feed. I wanted to make sure I had at least 3 feeding stations at different levels around the pen. I also have three 7 cup PVC pipe feeders in the coop for dry feed.

I feel like I'm doing my best for them but it's so disheartening to lose them then read those results!
this is so puzzling.


based on my recent losses this past y ear, I'm wondering about your flock dynamics. My flock is only a little larger than yours (19 now) and I only have two waterers and feeders now in the winter. I had more in the summer when there was more room....but one of mine that was necropsied came back with a cocci overload brought on by stress

So....do you think from your observations that those three were on the lower end of the pecking order? being kept away from the food or choosing to stay away from the flock activitiies or on the fringe?

I've also been thinking about the breed mix I have - some are docile breeds, some are definitely not, and wondering if that has contributed to the problems I am having.
What do you think about your flock - mixed? one or two breeds?

Personally I would not follow their advice on fermented feed, because they are going to go with the traditional methods no matter what - and won't have an understanding of the feed you were providing.

the other thing - all three having underdeveloped ovaries - were these chicks from the same source? wonder if it was a breeding issue involved here as well - unless they were not the same breed.....

really interested to hear your thoughts.
 
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