The Natural Chicken Keeping thread - OTs welcome!

How do you know they pecked him to death? Could he have died for some other reason and they pecked him because he was dead? I'm not trying to be contrary - I really want to know.

I'm so glad your flock seems to be fine!

Hey, I saw you're in Terre Haute - I'm just about an hour west of you, in Charleston, IL! Well, in the country near Charleston, anyway... We love the Thai food restaurant in Terre Haute, bring takeout back whenever we go there. I'll be driving right through Terre Haute on my way to pick up my mom from Indi in a few weeks.

Well, I hope that happens with mine. I agree with all that you said! The whole world is new again when you have a child to show it to.

I agree. I'd never want to be young again - way too much uncertainty and stress. But I'd love to have that body back!

Kids don't always come back to you. My brother is 44 and hasn't spoken to our mother in probably 20 years (our father passed away over ten years ago, but they didn't speak either, although our parents had been split up since the mid-'70s). My brother has never let our mom meet his wife or any of his three kids. Her heart breaks fresh every time she thinks about that, especially her grandchildren. To me, that's unspeakable. If he has a problem with his mother, whatever, but to deny his children their grandmother? No way. She's an awesome grandma, too. His wife is from Ukraine, and she has no family in this country, so my husband and I and our kids are the only family they have in thousands of miles. My brother was such a sweet little boy, too!
That's wrong.. especially if she was a good mother to you guys. There are some family members I can see never wanting contact with (my wife's brother is the worst human being I have ever met), so we do not allow contact with him. There are reasons. There should be reasons to withhold your kids from their grandparents.


The best I can do is friends in 21 days. Is it okay without a top for a few days?
As long as you are it's friend it will be okay. A little mirror would be good too.
 
This pertains to roosters, rams and bulls - not husbands. ;-)
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How many do you have...and do they all get along, just naturally?
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this world does not need more than one of my husband; I'd have to get some other man to do all the chores (mine doesn't do that stuff and I don't like the way he does it anyway). lol
Plus, he wouldn't get along with a clone of himself and I wouldn't know where to begin looking for a man who does chores to my standards.
Very funny, guys!!

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that would be great but he dont drink... lol
Does he ever eat yogurt or sauerkraut? Those are fermented foods. If you want links to articles that talk about the health benefits of fermenting foods (for people or for chickens), just say so, and I'm sure you'll get sent many links!

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its crazy making! been home sick for a few days, still a little shaky when I went to the coop to gather eggs...and dropped 8 eggs. Now the cats have knocked the egg basket off the table and cracked open a doz and a half eggs on the floor. Did you know you can scoop/sweep broken eggs, yolk and white, onto a newpaper and then pour them into a bowl? Will feed them to the hens in the morning.
Yes, I did know that.
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Hope you feel better soon!

Man, you must not be feeling good at all...health is every thing...when I feel bad I think of the people that will never feel good again...like both my parents felt who died of cancer. They hurt and knew it was never going to get better
I'm so sorry. I know what you mean. And even though they're not hurting anymore, it still hurts you to think about it.
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So sorry LaLa. Hope you get feeling better real soon.

Ki: Rude comments come from idiots. You can't fix stupid. There is WAY too much emphasis put on having the perfect body. And unfortunately, most of it is directed at women, but I'm sure men get some of it too. I'm so opposed to the unhealthy obsession with skinny bodies that I wouldn't let my daughter and now my grand daughter play with Barbie dolls!
My mom wouldn't let me play with Barbies either! I did buy Skipper for myself with birthday money one year, but she thought that was OK because Skipper was at least flat-chested and flat-footed.

Did you know there was a "Happy To Be Me" doll, made by the High Self Esteem Toy Corporation? Barbie sized, but shaped like a real, normal person. Still on the thin side, but at least realistic. I got one for my daughter, but she actually just preferred to play with animal toys anyway! The doll came out in 1991, but never caught on. Hmmm...

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/15/garden/she-s-no-barbie-nor-does-she-care-to-be.html

What an adorable chick!!! Awesome picture you took!

My one single egg in the incubator has pipped. This is my first, so pretty excited but I worry about it being a single. Please don't let me kill it!. Go chic go.
Good luck!

Rodney comes to mind. Mean SOB! After Rodney was plucked and cleaned I gladly posed him with all his organs in a bowl next to him and took his picture and sent it to my husband at work. The guys at his office gota buzz out of it. Lol
And now they know to keep on your good side!
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Thanks for all the advice everyone! In answer to your question Aoxa, and Delisha,she brooded for 20 days a month or so ago and then left the nest. The chicks were fully developed in the shell, but they were cold when I returned from work and I stuck them in a bator but no use.
She has been broody on and off for 2-3 months. She is about 8 months old and was raised by a broody, & is 1/4 silkie.
I went back into the hen house late last night and all was settled. No growling, chick underneath burrowed to the back of her- I think it's working. About to check again this morning. Have 2 more little beauties popped in the night so will see how it goes with the first one and decide again tonight if I put them under her as well. I have an eco glow with a week old straddle legged chick under it and the newbies try to burrow under her legs which doesn't work as they are taped together -so I'll figure something out like blocking part of it off...

Little chick under the broody toasty warm and happy! So pleased
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now to see how she gets on with teaching her to feed and drink... I may add 3 more late tonight that have also hatched. 2 more blondies and the tiniest BCM I have ever seen hatched!
 
Didn't capture your quote, but I'll be passing you too on my way to Indi? I didn't know where in Indiana you live.

I may send my second child off to IU next year. It's not top on his list, but his two top choices are super expensive and on the coasts (one in CA and one in MA). IU is definitely in the running, especially if they offer him some cash! Wish we didn't have to pay out of state tuition.

That's wrong.. especially if she was a good mother to you guys. There are some family members I can see never wanting contact with (my wife's brother is the worst human being I have ever met), so we do not allow contact with him. There are reasons. There should be reasons to withhold your kids from their grandparents.
Well, yes, you're right. But my mom, although by no means perfect, was a very good mom. She was not abusive, and she loved us both very much and tried to do her best. I think he just can't forgive her for being human. She was under a lot of stress as a single mother with no marketable skills until she put herself through school while supporting two kids. So sometimes she snapped at us. Good grief, get over it, we're adults now. And she's an excellent grandma, which he would know if he wanted to, since my kids are older than his.

My mom still sends my brother's kids gifts every birthday and christmas, and he lets them have the gifts, although he never acknowledges them to her. I wonder who he says they're from? Since he's philosophically opposed to thank you letters, the kids never write those anyway. More than one screw loose...

One day his kids are going to grow up, and then I bet they'll be curious to meet this mysterious grandma they've never met, and they'll find out she's actually a very cool person. Then what will they think of their father? I don't think he's thought it all through very well.

But back to chickens. How do I slim down my flock? If Ethel was too fat, they probably all are. Will it all work out once the weather warms up a bit and they can free range again? I don't want them to be fat, but I don't want to starve them either. And I want them to have enough to eat to keep warm in these ridiculous temps. I find regulating dogs' weight to be much easier! I guess because it's easier for me to judge a dog's weight by looking at it.
 
Didn't capture your quote, but I'll be passing you too on my way to Indi? I didn't know where in Indiana you live.

I may send my second child off to IU next year. It's not top on his list, but his two top choices are super expensive and on the coasts (one in CA and one in MA). IU is definitely in the running, especially if they offer him some cash! Wish we didn't have to pay out of state tuition.

Well, yes, you're right. But my mom, although by no means perfect, was a very good mom. She was not abusive, and she loved us both very much and tried to do her best. I think he just can't forgive her for being human. She was under a lot of stress as a single mother with no marketable skills until she put herself through school while supporting two kids. So sometimes she snapped at us. Good grief, get over it, we're adults now. And she's an excellent grandma, which he would know if he wanted to, since my kids are older than his.

My mom still sends my brother's kids gifts every birthday and christmas, and he lets them have the gifts, although he never acknowledges them to her. I wonder who he says they're from? Since he's philosophically opposed to thank you letters, the kids never write those anyway. More than one screw loose...

One day his kids are going to grow up, and then I bet they'll be curious to meet this mysterious grandma they've never met, and they'll find out she's actually a very cool person. Then what will they think of their father? I don't think he's thought it all through very well.

But back to chickens. How do I slim down my flock? If Ethel was too fat, they probably all are. Will it all work out once the weather warms up a bit and they can free range again? I don't want them to be fat, but I don't want to starve them either. And I want them to have enough to eat to keep warm in these ridiculous temps. I find regulating dogs' weight to be much easier! I guess because it's easier for me to judge a dog's weight by looking at it.
That is just strange.. and sad for your mother.

What mother doesn't snap at her kids? No one is perfect.

As for the chickens being too fat...
Not necessarily if one was fat they all are. Every breed and every chicken is different. One hen may be using all of her feed reserves to keep warm and lay eggs and is perfectly healthy. Some breeds are much more prone to obesity and over eating. Brahmas, Cochins, Cornish, Orpingtons, Jersey Giants, etc are all big eaters. They can get fat if fed a diet too high in protein. Yes there is such a thing.

BOSS is very high in fat. Do you feed that?
 
Quote: I'm in bargersville, its south of Indy. so really you won't be that close to us but not too far either.
I feel bad for your mother. I know I would not do well as a single mom. Now if she had a major deficiency or something weird, that would be different.
I'm not limiting feed yet just because I don't want to take it out there in the sub zero temps. Come warmer weather my chickens get fed no more than twice a day with the largest part in the afternoon and typically maxed out at 1 pound per chicken per week when they are grazing / ranging. Some roosters will eat more but some hens less. I did not lose any to starvation last summer so I plan to do the same this summer.
 
How do you know they pecked him to death? Could he have died for some other reason and they pecked him because he was dead? I'm not trying to be contrary - I really want to know.

I'm so glad your flock seems to be fine!

Hey, I saw you're in Terre Haute - I'm just about an hour west of you, in Charleston, IL! Well, in the country near Charleston, anyway... We love the Thai food restaurant in Terre Haute, bring takeout back whenever we go there. I'll be driving right through Terre Haute on my way to pick up my mom from Indi in a few weeks.

Well, I hope that happens with mine. I agree with all that you said! The whole world is new again when you have a child to show it to.

I agree. I'd never want to be young again - way too much uncertainty and stress. But I'd love to have that body back!

Kids don't always come back to you. My brother is 44 and hasn't spoken to our mother in probably 20 years (our father passed away over ten years ago, but they didn't speak either, although our parents had been split up since the mid-'70s). My brother has never let our mom meet his wife or any of his three kids. Her heart breaks fresh every time she thinks about that, especially her grandchildren. To me, that's unspeakable. If he has a problem with his mother, whatever, but to deny his children their grandmother? No way. She's an awesome grandma, too. His wife is from Ukraine, and she has no family in this country, so my husband and I and our kids are the only family they have in thousands of miles. My brother was such a sweet little boy, too!

Yes, as for my own kids, I wasn't talking about them being rebellious or difficult, but just failing at life. I hear this happens fairly often to young people, especially boys, so we're just waiting for our 22 yr old son to figure his own way out, while giving him emotional support. Very painful to watch, though. This was a boy who was one of the best students in his class in high school, got into several very good colleges, did very well his first year in college, and then sputtered to a complete stop in the middle of his second year. He stopped going to classes, in fact stopped pretty much everything. He holed up in his room for several weeks, only sneaking out at night to go to the bathroom or to the vending machine for food. He lived in a single room in a suite in a dorm. Luckily, as he sank deeper and deeper into a self-loathing depression, he sent us an e-mail before harming himself. Anyway, that was three years ago now, and he currently lives in a trailer and works part-time making minimum wage, with no plans for the future whatsoever. He doesn't socialize with any of his old friends because he's too embarrassed about how his life is turning out, when everyone expected that he'd find the cure for cancer or something.

The weird thing is that a lot of his cohort from high school have had similar experiences. I think only one of them actually made it through college so far! Plus, his freshman year roommate from college also dropped out a couple weeks after my son did. But he's been working full time and going to night school.

We just have to be patient that our son will figure it all out.

Oops, perhaps I've said too much. Now you all know some of the dysfunction in my family (oh, yes, there's way more!).

Oh, wow, I didn't know that was an option!
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I have never tried that food cause I cant do spice and I'm told that is some spicy stuff... lol
 
Ok. Yall can tell me to stuff a sock in it if you must but I have to ask... my egg has been pipped for about 8 hours with little progress. The pip is face down. I see the beak come out and go back in but the egg might not roll cause some fluid leaked out and could have stuck it to the paper towel. Its chirping. Would you roll it pip up or at least side?
 
So it's a balmy 32 degrees and my EE Edie decided today was the day to start laying again :) :)

That means 3 tots are laying and at least 2 big girls..........I really thought with these artic temps no one would start again till spring. I hope that means spring and warmer temps are close !!
 
Rodney comes to mind. Mean SOB! After Rodney was plucked and cleaned I gladly posed him with all his organs in a bowl next to him and took his picture and sent it to my husband at work. The guys at his office gota buzz out of it. Lol
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Is this ok for brooding my single chic in the house? I can drape a towel over it to block any draft or get a bigger tote if I must. Still hoping it makes it out of the egg

Looks like a good beginning, but she (hopefully) will soon outgrow it. Do you have pets to worry about? Also, is it on the floor? as you know, chicks can get amazingly agile amazingly fast, and hop over the top before you know it. good luck!

Kids don't always come back to you. My brother is 44
we're just waiting for our 22 yr old son to figure his own way out, while giving him emotional support. Very painful to watch, though.
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So it's a balmy 32 degrees and my EE Edie decided today was the day to start laying again
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That means 3 tots are laying and at least 2 big girls..........I really thought with these artic temps no one would start again till spring. I hope that means spring and warmer temps are close !!
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Have you not heard? It is spring! The chick-a-dees have changed their song to the spring song. Still more misery ahead, but the animals are cavorting!!!
 

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