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Mumsy!

I am so excited for you!! And green with envy!! I would have loved to been there. I will have to live vicariously threw all of your stories of your visit. Your trio is beautiful. I love white. So what does she use for bedding? What is she feeding? What are her secrets? How many dozens of eggs does she sell a week? How are her coops set up? Do they roost at night?
Oh how I had wished you had been there too! I was so awestruck that I was like a doe in the head lights!
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There were so many things I forgot to ask her. The wonderful thing about Karen was her willingness to talk about her breeding and birds. A lot of here explanations on genetics of the different colors went right over my head because I've never had enough Silkies or the project colors she works with. She very unselfishly told me when I left to email her with any questions. I will be doing that when my eggs hatch.



White Silkies are my first love. Karen loves them too. She has two white pens that the eggs she sells come out of and my trio are hatched from. My boy is out of a pen where the roo is by Shorty Polston. The hens in that pen are of Amiee Croger breeding I believe. My two pullets are out of the Catdance line. These pullets are unrelated to the first pen so they compliment each other beautifully. She told me the whites from these pairings were doing very well in shows around the country. We had wonderful chats about genetics that I do understand. You have to breed a lot of chickens to get the special ones. Just like in breeding Arabian horses, thorough breds, or dogs. Some off spring will be pet, some will be breeders, and some will be champions. She advised me never to cull too soon with Silkies except for obvious DQ things. She told me a story about the lady that developed the first Paints in Silkies. Many in the Silkie Club poo poo'd this color. They advised to cull all of them and scoffed at her efforts. Years later those same nay sayers were beating down her door to buy those Paints. Karen advised me that if I ever get an unusual colored chick to keep it and see what it becomes. It's how special things develop in the poultry world. Great advice I will take to heart.

While we were visiting, Karen's husband arrived with a load of bagged pine shavings, and bagged Purina feed. No layer at all. 26% Sun shine recipe. protein crumble. All her pens are dirt floor based with shavings except breeding boxes and in an upper level of one of the barns. I think they were wood floors with shavings. There were chickens EVERYWHERE! I couldn't turn around without seeing some spectacular roo paired up with an equally spectacular hen. She does a lot of pair breeding.


Pairs in the car port where shavings and grain bags were delivered.

My jaw hit my chest at the abundance of beautiful birds. Out of hundreds of Silkies, I only saw maybe one or two that looked like the crest had been picked. Most pens averaged between seven and fifteen hens to one roo. Some pens had maybe four hens to a roo. Each pen had one or two nest boxes on the floor. No lip or shelves. Many pens had large beams for roosting.




Some had ramps that went up to a second nest on shelves. It was all very farmer and chicken easily accessible.

This was one of the last pens in the last barn. I died! That color Lavender was unexpected! The picture doesn't do it justice. In person it almost glowed. It was ethereal. I had dreams about this pen last night. Karen told me about the cock but I can't remember. This pen amazed me. So did the Porcelain pen next to it.



Look at the gorgeous color on that roo! Those hens were eye popping gorgeous too.
This barn I believe were the project pens. The first pen I failed to get a picture of. It had a dozen or more birds she told me were destined to be shown. Maybe. The big show will be in April. I will try and get to it to take pictures of any birds Karen enters.

I will be changing my own barn set up in ways I saw her do. My barn is the equivalent of four of her pens. All of her barns faced large pasture and sun exposure. It was raining and snowing while we were there. Very cold. Some pens had heat lamps. Some did not.

My DH gazing up at the other barns. The big barn is actually two in one. Her Arabian shelters in the open stall with the gate in the middle. We are standing in front the lower barn full of the pens where sale eggs are produced.

Catdance Farm is way off the beaten path. almost a 45 minute drive from I 5 interstate. Winding narrow roads through mountains. Spectacular country but wild up there.

One of the many streams we crossed on our drive up the mountains.

I have no idea how many eggs or birds Catdance sells but I'm guessing a LOT! She and her husband work non stop on this farm. They don't have help that I could tell except when they go to shows. That is not often she tells me because they must travel so far and hired help is expensive.
It is a serious breeding facility. There is a very good reason her eggs and birds are in such high demand. She raises no other variety of chicken. Only Silkies. Her entire focus is breeding. I learned many lessons from that knowledge alone. It takes the hatching and raising of hundreds of chicks over many years to reach the high level of quality she has attained. Every inch of that large farm is devoted to Silkies. A breeder can never sit back and rest on past accomplishments. There is no such thing as the perfect Silkie. The breeding operation going on there that I witnessed made a huge impression on me. I'm going to try and keep that Cat dance record of excellence going in my very tiny flock of Silkies. I feel incredibly fortunate to get the chance.
 
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If you got five of that mix, your are a lucky duck! I saw each of those breeding pens that the eggs she sells come out of. You would keel over if you saw those roos and hens! Some pens had six hens to a roo and some had twelve hens. That barn was my favorite. Those birds were so lovely.
Yes, you can ask Karen anything about your eggs or chicks. She is a very nice lady. Personally speaking from my experience with White Silkies...Both yellow and silver down will give you white birds. The silver chick should turn out to be a brilliant white Silkie. DESIRABLE. Let us know what she says.
Yes I feel very fortunate, had no intention of breeding Silkies, just trying to start a broody flock, but thought I may as well start it with good birds. If they turn out to be nice, I may seek her advice and breed if I was fortunate enough to get both pullets and cockerels, which I would expect but you never know. I'm most pleased with the lavender, it is such a pretty chick! To me anyway, but I have no clue what I'm looking at :) Have never had Silkies before. ETA: Never had Silkies I thought were of good quality - in my earlier chicken years I had a couple but strictly because I thought they were a cute novelty. Hatchery chicks. Hatchery Silkies are about half the size of the chicks I hatched out of Karen's eggs.

I was a tiny bit concerned when I first moved them to the brooder, as they seemed to immediately start pecking at each other, but as I watched it was obvious they were not harming one another, and they are very quiet and calm, so your later comment about the temperament she breeds for is certainly proving itself true here.

I am not familiar with what a brilliant white is, guess I need to do some research!
 
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@Aoxa: I am so bummed most of my pictures didn't turn out. It always happens when I get excited. Happily, I have an appointment to return to Catdance farm in six months to pick up a Buff pair she said she would hatch for me. That would be July or August so pictures will be better hopefully.

@ Pozees: If you see a regular white Silkie side by side with a silver white, you can see the difference. It is a gene trait that is very desirable in white silkies.

My chicks were picky with each other in the brooder until I cooled the heat source down significantly and changed to a cooler bulb color. They calmed down right away.

I'm not going to introduce new strains of Silkies to my Catdance birds. I can totally see a difference in the dispositon of the four chicks I have compared to the trio I just brought home. Night and day. I want to retain that lovely temperment and not dilute it. May be selling off my other Silkies.
 
Congrats on your trio Mumsy (and the eggs too)... somehow I knew you'd be coming home with Whites to breed, lol. Love the roo's streamers.
What color eggs did you come home with?
 
I am so glad I have witnessed Catdance farm threw your eyes Mumsy..I feel very fortunate. Thank you so much. I got goose bumps reading it.

Unrelated to silkies

A bit of information I have been reading about birds and medication..please read this when you can. A wealth of knowledge even if it does not pertain to you and your birds.

http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/
 
@Peeps: Thank you. Maybe I love the Whites so much because twenty years ago that was what I had. Though the Silkies of today look nothing like what I had.
I'm so overwhelmed by those twenty four eggs in my bator right now! I'm hand turning every six hours and freaking out! Which is not like me at all with hatching anything. Need to calm down and pretend they are Johnny eggs and just do what I do.
Took a dark crayon last night and traced the pencil markings so I could read them. I'll have to make a list. Should have done it before I set them. *gah!* I'm still so star struck can't think straight! I think del has a list of Karen's color abreviations. I'll have to find it again.


@del: Thank you. Truly, I never heard of Catdance until you and aoxa were talking about them. I'm learning everything fresh from reading this thread. Truly. This thread is a marvel of information.

@armorfirelady: Thank you.

Let me take this moment to tell everyone that raises chickens this one big message. Exchange the breed/variety 'Silkie' with any other name of chicken. Heritage or other wise. Then take the lessons that Karen Larson uses on a daily basis in her breeding program. This is how you earn fame for your farm and animals. Years of hard work, ruthless culling, hatching LOTS of chicks, and great marketing skills. Reputations are built on the results.
 
I am so glad I have witnessed Catdance farm threw your eyes Mumsy..I feel very fortunate. Thank you so much. I got goose bumps reading it.

Unrelated to silkies

A bit of information I have been reading about birds and medication..please read this when you can. A wealth of knowledge even if it does not pertain to you and your birds.

http://www.hopkinslivestock.com/
I haven't seen anything yet about medication, but their facility is huge!
 
@Aoxa: I am so bummed most of my pictures didn't turn out. It always happens when I get excited. Happily, I have an appointment to return to Catdance farm in six months to pick up a Buff pair she said she would hatch for me. That would be July or August so pictures will be better hopefully.

@ Pozees: If you see a regular white Silkie side by side with a silver white, you can see the difference. It is a gene trait that is very desirable in white silkies.

My chicks were picky with each other in the brooder until I cooled the heat source down significantly and changed to a cooler bulb color. They calmed down right away.

I'm not going to introduce new strains of Silkies to my Catdance birds. I can totally see a difference in the dispositon of the four chicks I have compared to the trio I just brought home. Night and day. I want to retain that lovely temperment and not dilute it. May be selling off my other Silkies.
Jamie Carson is saving a trio of whites for me this summer. He also found me the best Buff in North America (bred by a judge in BC) as well as some blues he has. So I will be starting with some of the best stock I can imagine.

I've showed you one of his white pullets.

I'm also going to figure out how to get some partridges again. That's still my favourite colour.

Oh wait. Did I tell you guys a friend of ours pretty much GAVE us a goat? We picked out a doeling and she is raising her until our barn is complete. So until June.. She took $70 off of the price she normally charges because of the fire. We are going to get another doeling. Two more of her does are due to give birth sometime in March. Again she will raise this doeling until June.. I can't say enough about them...

Here is our doe, she is 3/4 Nubian.


She's the one on the right. We are going to name her Alice.
 

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