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[The Yakima Kid]

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Hey, you can do what a lot of other folks are now doing... Come visit us in Colorado... do some skiing, smoking, drinking, smoking, gambling, smoking, mountain climbing, smoking, fishing, smoking, hunting, NO SMOKING (loaded weapons and all that, but drinking is still OK), and if you move here, you don't have to plant in your neighbors yard

Ummmm....... no drinking around loaded weapons either, I hope?

It's like Ted Nugent said about how it was obvious the BATF was going to have problems - handling alcohol, tobacco, and firearms all at the same time is a very bad idea.

 

[LindaB220]

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Hey, you can do what a lot of other folks are now doing... Come visit us in Colorado... do some skiing, smoking, drinking, smoking, gambling, smoking, mountain climbing, smoking, fishing, smoking, hunting, NO SMOKING (loaded weapons and all that, but drinking is still OK), and if you move here, you don't have to plant in your neighbors yard

How's that working for y'all. Is the crime higher? My state La is so behind the times. We can't even get raw milk. Been working on the other but no luck yet.

 

[perchie.girl]

Wow. Set them last night and this morning at dawn I heard unmistakable cheeping. No pip yet and just one lone little voice. I don't think I miscalculated, but isn't it a little early for that? I'm not complaining, mind you, just a little concerned about an overly ambitious chick. Probably a roo announcing the day....

INternal pip.... wont be long

deb

 

[lemley farms]

yes a talk forum would be nice.earliar i was asking about a rhode island white,actually.
i need a white rock female and a rhode red male to make some golden comets.im in the northside area,and you?
do you know of area chicken auctions and are shows/competition?

 

[ChickenCanoe]

I think the Philosopy is similar where as you are importing from another country we are sending eggs from state to state. Though yours is importation there will be stricter requirements.

To bring Chickens in from Europe or other countries the importation fees in the US are prohibitive. I believe in some cases can cost upwards to 10,000 per bird.

For what its worth a single owner may box up and ship a chicken in the US without being NPIP approved. The difference is that chicken will have to have an accompanying health certificate. Based on what I have read on the subject. OF course if there is someone who has done it here they may have a clearer take on it.

And shipping of chickens and eggs may be done within the state without any restrictions. Unless there is an outbreak of some sort in the area... but then everything would be quarantined.
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The big expense with importing live birds is paying for the quarantine period. And one has no control of the birds while they're in quarantine so they could die during that time.
With importing eggs, there's no quarantine period. The other expenses like multiple inspections of the originating flock by govt. vets and certifications is the same with eggs and live birds. If they come from pullorum free countries it isn't insurmountable.
Some people ship intrastate without certification but they leave themselves vulnerable to big fines.

Oz has a lot of experience going the other way.

My neighbor has a male dog that keeps trying to mate my other neighbors male dog.

I had a white rock cockerel that tried to breed a buff orpington hen when the flocks were all free ranging together. The barred rock hens chased him off. He was so frustrated and apparently took a shine to the buff color that tried to breed a poor buff cochin cockerel. They both tasted just like chicken a few days later.

First, and foremost, please understand that I can not justify giving advice on selective breeding. I am too new to it myself to pretend to know what to tell you. I offer my thinking and strategies as thought fodder. Feel free to challenge it or to adopt it. Just understand that it is a work in progress. The Silver Campines that I am working on need SO MUCH work that I have to consider the basics first. I will work on fast maturing and fast molting once I have a handle on the other stuff. If you are working with birds that already have a good top line and good breast, you are ahead of me.

Also understand that when I say "cull" I am talking about removing that bird from my breeding program. Most of the time, they go to the layer/sell flock, so I still get to keep an eye on what they do as they mature further. Again, with a few of these birds that there are in the US, I cannot afford to kill any that I could use if something happened to my choice breeders. I am constantly culling, especially for disqualifications. When I see it, it leaves the breeder barn. A wise old poultry breeder once said, "You will have in your flock what you tolerate." I try to keep this in mind, always.

If you don't have an SOP, get one.

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Originally Posted by Wisher1000

Here is my philosophy. I used a strategy to develop this based on the judging point system according to SOP. I am a list person, and needed something to go by. I couldn't find one that made sense to me, so I developed my own. I read the first forty pages of the SOP (and continue to do so, over and over) and then looked at the point system to determine what is, or is supposed to be, given the most weight (in non-white birds) and I put them in order based on that. On MY list, I included what the SOP says is the ideal for the Campine in each area. I won't type all of that, you can find it in the SOP.

1. Health, vigor, and production are paramount.

2. Strive for ideal in a) shape, b) size, and c) color (in that order.)
Look at what SOP calls for in these areas (in this order)

SHAPE - in three groups that have similar point values
Back
Breast

Body and Fluff
Legs and Toes
Comb

Tail
Wings
Skull and Face

SIZE - (Campines should be 6lbs for cocks and 4lbs for hens. I strive for the ideal weight as my minimum. Being a few ounces over the ideal is no different than being a few ounces under. However, the larger bird is preferred in the show. Everyone, including the judges, likes larger birds, but I keep in mind that Campines are supposed to be medium sized, close feathered, large fowl.)


COLOR - I understand why most people advise to "build the barn before you paint it," but when you are looking at each part of the bird, you need to be considering color as well. I wouldn't keep a Campine bird with a correct back if it were not barred. I would keep the better colored breast over the same shaped breast with poorer coloring. The second section requires attention to color in fluff, legs, and comb, as well as the last one, face. Shape is the first consideration, but color is important, too.

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This is a post I made in another SOP thread a while back. It is based on the judging system of points found in the SOP. I looked at the weight given different aspects of the bird and categorized them

This strategy has not been proven, but it is what I intend to use. Feel free to use it or ask questions. I hope this helps.

I'm with you on your priorities. Mine vary ever so slightly.
#1 VIGOR and breeding for resistance to disease.
Production is important and should be inserted here.
#2 SOP Very high among the things that are important are egg color. It doesn't help much to breed a dark egg layer if their eggs aren't dark.
I've heard the build then paint thing before but like you, the color can get away from you quickly. I think you can work on color simultaneously with shape.
IMO, black birds should be black. My first roosters had a lot of red/copper in the hackles and I've pretty well eradicated that. I also had problems with white mottling in older hens. I'm correcting that. A new problem has emerged as I have some chicks hatching looking more like chipmunks. Apparently I have a lot more color work to do.
As a DP bird, size is important.

Here is another post I made talking about how I go about culling...

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Originally Posted by Wisher1000

I "cull" for anything obvious as I see it. A chick can be culled at hatch if it is not thriving. Those are the only ones that I trust myself to cull permanently. I like to see them pop out of the egg picking at anything that looks like it may be food.

I start with all the chicks in the brooder until I can move them outside, I have two grow-out pens (A and B.) All chicks start in A which is for unsexed chicks and pullets. B is for known cockerels and "likely culls." As soon as I determine a chick is a male, or is a female with an undesirable quality (leg color, eye color, wrong comb, etc.) they get moved to B. The male and female culls join the layer flock as soon as they are big enough to fend for themselves. I move them four or five at a time so they will have their own group to hang with. Eventually, I have a pen of "fair pullets" and a pen with "fair cockerels."

My layer flock free ranges during the day and I will lose one or two every couple of months to various predators. I don't mind so much if it is the culls that are taken, plus, if I see something exceptional about one of them as they mature, and what I culled them for is not as bad as I thought, I can always move them back. That makes my lack of confidence in selection a bit more forgiving.

Also, if someone is looking for hens, POL pullets, or cockerels for the pot, I will sell from my layer flock, not as Campines, but as layers.

The serious culling, for top line, bottom line, width of body and head, stance, tail set, and such goes on until I select the best for the breeder pens for spring hatches. Then all the rest go to the layer flock to be chickens for a while. I still watch them to see if anything interesting develops as they mature.

Silver Campines are so hard to find that I have to keep a few more than others may settle on because they are so hard to replace. I have plenty this year (I set over 100 eggs last spring) and selection is easier, but for the past two years, I had minor losses that undermined my whole program because individual birds were so important. I have started over three times!

It's really tough when your chosen breed is in short supply for new genes.

Those Germans do know how to party, dancing on the tables and everything...

I miss the beer halls, wine and beer festivals. Every festival would be led off by a parade through town with floats handing out cups of free beer and wine to bystanders. After all the free samples from area wineries and breweries, the walk to the festhall would be lined with carnival type game booths. Often the prizes were bottles of wine and champagne. Rough night.
I also miss the local brewery delivering cases of beer to your house just like milk used to be delivered here many years ago. The local bakery would do home deliveries also. If you had livestock and a garden, you didn't even need to go to the store.
The beer driver knew what kind and quantity of beer your drank. No one locked their doors and they would bring the 2 cases right into the house where they knew you stored it and take away the empties. If you weren't going to be home, you could stick the money in the case of empties. If not, they'd leave the beer anyway and get paid the following week.

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* apparently I am the only Cone head BYCer but, there are lots more in Remulac, south of France.

No offense but that cone head has disturbed me since I joined. I guess it says something about your sense of humor.

Nice pad. I like to plant all my medicinals over on my neighbors property.

LOCKDOWN!


Good luck, Little Eggies. You're on the last leg of your journey to chickdom. Fare well! (NOT Farewell)

good luck

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Of all the predators that can prey on your livestock.... the ones I fear most are feral dogs.

deb

Until the mink attacks, dogs had been my worst.

I'm going to jail tomorrow! Just as a working visitor.... Inmate deposition. Out in the boonies in Guadalupe County where nothing but weather happens. This makes the fourth prison I've been to in my career. Kind of fascinating, really. Some are fairly modern (High Desert, NV...OJ's home for awhile) and others are absolute pits (San Quentin...nice view, though.) Different protocols for each....and the firm is always happy to send me because no other court reporter wants to go.....the little prima donnas.

I thought you were serving time.
My petite, very mild mannered niece is a psychologist that works in prisons. She's worked in DC, around Missouri and interned in Sweden when going to school there. For some reason she really likes her work.

Unfortunately, that is so true. The way kids are going at it these days, if their child followed suit and then the grandchild did too........getting prego in their early teens. So sad but true. Have you seen those ignorant girls on Maury Povich and Jenny Jones, (she's not around anymore.)??
Hey, good news, I just found out there are bantam Ameraucanas! You say, of course, stupid! But I didn't know. Can't wait to get some!!

Back in the late 50s, my oldest sister got married when she was 15. She had 3 sons by the time she was 18. My older brother and other sister were married when they were 18. I was 35. Learning from other's mistakes.

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And, drum roll.... FIRST PULLET EGG

And WHO won the egg laying race? Contestants are

1 - Dominiques from both Cackle and a breeder

2 - golden pencilled Hamburgs from Cackle

3 - dark brown Leghorns, rose comb from breeder

4 - white rose comb Leghorns from breeder


And only one week younger

5 - bantam blue laced red Wyandottes



Now, I was about to say the Dominiques won, but actually, I was thinking it was nice that the d'uccles had started laying more again...... And my two white RC Leghorns are pretty red in the face.

If it's a white egg, I'll bet leghorn.

I am so sad now!

I hope you can get some basque hens next year.

I hate hearing about rare breeds being taken, particularly poignant when they're mine.

.... My guess was it was Australian Shepherd not German Shepherd. No Lab influence at all because I could free feed her.

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That was my first thought.

How about a tornado proof concrete outhouse? Something shaped like a mayan pyramid. That kind of shape would probably work built from wood too.

Inside some of the Mayan pyramids it is quite comfortable in relation to the surrounds.

The more prude a society is, the more deviance comes to the surface.

So true. The real face of humanity.

Wow. Set them last night and this morning at dawn I heard unmistakable cheeping. No pip yet and just one lone little voice. I don't think I miscalculated, but isn't it a little early for that? I'm not complaining, mind you, just a little concerned about an overly ambitious chick. Probably a roo announcing the day....

This little jewel is handy for keeping track of hatching times
http://incubatorwarehouse.com/egg-incubator-timer.html

What actually happened .....
**fight with the goats over what they are allowed to do and what they are NOT allowed to do
**clean out the workshop
**clean out the waterers
**sit and watch chicken TV for hours

My scratch off list usually looks the same. I hate it when the same items come up on a list weeks later.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

prohibition hasnt worked. The sky didnt fall in colorado or washington. Statistically legalization has been successful in those states. Revenue is way up. Teen use is down. Crime rate is down. Domestic abuse is down. Its a win/win. And its saving lives of children with seizures.

I have mixed feelings on the legalization issue.

On one hand, it would make my job easier by removing a whole set of laws to have to try to enforce.

On the other hand, it has many more known carcinogens than tobacco and while I tend to consider that a self correcting problem, who will likely be paying for that care in ten to twenty years? Another issue is that one of the effects of chronic use is that it diminishes the person's motivation making the "recreation" more appealing than working and supporting a family, again, who will be footing the bill for them? Increased tax revenues are only helpful if they are not spent on problems caused by the activity that produced the revenue. Also, look at all the people who won't tolerate tobacco smoking/smokers. What kind of issues will be created when a person partaking will not only be producing second hand smoke, but whose personality will be altered at the same time. Law enforcement has more problems with people under the influence of another mood altering drug than from those who are not.

My vote, no.

ETA : Roost Guards are barriers attached to the wall at the end of a roost that keeps a coon from being able to reach through the wire and grab a sleeping bird. They love the spots right by the wire and all of them stack up there. Right now, I have scrap pieces of plywood at the end of the roosts but I don't like how it looks. I have acquired some heavy screening (or maybe light hardware cloth?) that is going to replace the wood. It will be attached to the inside of the 2x4 welded wire with cable ties. It will ensure that anything reaching through the wire will be two feet from the roost.

Probably no more carcinogenic than cigarettes and artificial ingredients in food.

I just think about the drug cartels that are fueled by US drug use. If we legalized, they would probably find some other nefarious way to make money and promote violence.

Shows how much they like fresh air.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Fix the problem.

Prevention is always cheaper than cure

I hope this isn't taken in the wrong way.
IMO, abortion isn't a good thing but it continues to amaze that anti-abortion forces (including my brother and my youngest sister) spend little effort at promoting birth control or adoption. Perhaps adopt a bunch as a start.
If the energy applied to anti-abortion was exerted in the other two areas, perhaps abortion would be unnecessary.

Just my opinion that there can be a positive aim and results of such fervor.

 

[ozexpat]

we dont have sex because we are told we shouldnt

we do what mother says. agree to not having sex until our wedding night - just like mamma.

no need for birth control because we are abstainers.

then we get as horny as anyone but do it just once.


get real people. give all classes of society the education and tools to prevent this.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

 

[Wisher1000]

yes a talk forum would be nice.earliar i was asking about a rhode island white,actually.
i need a white rock female and a rhode red male to make some golden comets.im in the northside area,and you?
do you know of area chicken auctions and are shows/competition?

Lemley, are you in Northside, Alabama? I don't know of anyone around here with RIwhites or White rocks, either. I will ask around, though. You know, around here, it's bantams that most serious chicken people have - Old English Game Bantams, to be exact.

Not me, nope, I like the large fowl!