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Great information, CC. I have found that the BOSS makes lovely feathers (or it could be the Calf Manna) and I feed the yogurt for boosting gut flora and hopefully, disease resistance (it's supposed to support the immune system.) I did, however, fail to recognize that the percentage needs to be above that of their regular feed. It makes sense that if they fill up on treats, they will not consume their normal level in their regular food. Duh! I do take care to get the highest protein levels available in canned catfood, but don't feed it much. I usually give them tuna, in oil.
 
It's been going on a long time. Some go cheaper than antibiotics and feed arsenic.
You can't really pack that many birds together and not dose. Any pathogen that gets a foothold will wipe the whole flock out. Worse yet is if the pathogen mutates.
I read a few years ago that 80% of grocery store chicken had traces of arsenic and 100% of fast food chicken did too.


I just got back from a restaurant, my mother turned 60 today so she treated us to a meal. We wen't to a restaurant that had gotten a Michelin star a while back, but I have to say it didn't quite meet my expectations. Everything was beautiful, but tastewise it left me craving for more. Very subtle tastes.


I have cooked dove. It is delicious. Dove hunting season is coming up soon. We have 4 seasons. Dove, turkey, deer, and deer
My wife was given several fresh dove last week and she wrapped them in bacon and sautéed in the pan on the stove. She wanted to grill them but I didn't clean the grill to her liking. I was going to suggest cooking the same way but I'll bet googling food network you could get some great recipes.

Happy birthday Mom.... OH mannn..... I could be your mom....I will be 60 next year. Mine turned 80 this year...

deb
My family has always been a bit different. Almost every generation waits till 30s and 40s to reproduce. That means most kids don't know their grandparents, let alone great grandparents. My kids are in their mid 20s and there's certainly no offspring on the horizon.
My grandfather would be 160 today.

There is more meat on quail and the breasts are whiter. We cooked dove in rice with a sauce like cream of mushroom soup. I think mother fried the quail breasts like chicken.
The rice sounds like a good idea. I've been wanting to raise quail. Can I do that if I'm NPIP?

It seemed like forever!

We stayed somewhere else for several days and then had to live with for a while after that.
Just, WOW.

Maddy got her bandages off today and finally got to wash her hair tonight! Happy girl.
Awesome!

I don't reckon one of those would taste very good.

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Pigskin might be like deep fried chitlins.
 
That describes my friend exactly. Whenever I needed a hand with anything, she'd be right there.

Remember when Alaskan said he needed a coop fairy to clean his coops? She had just come out the day before that and cleaned 2 of my coops.
My coop fairy, another lady and myself are organizers of a local chicken group with 700 members. Aside from coop tours and other chicken related get togethers, we often mobilize the group when someone is having a city council problem. These people packed city hall for me every 2 weeks for 5 months and we won.
She has an interesting history. She went to boarding school in Greece, ran a hospital nursing staff in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia by the time she was 20. She went to vet school at Colorado State and got a degree in Middle Eastern Studies from Washington University. She has other degrees and attended several other prestigious universities. She speaks about 6 languages including Arabic and Modern Greek. She had been all over Africa, Asia and Europe by her mid 20s. She has a very successful animal behavior business and a Canada Goose management company. She's done rescue work for a long time and is very well respected in that field, including the area Humane Society. They give our group free classroom time in respect for her. There's not an animal she can't train. She even trained an African porcupine and recently did a guinea pig behavior seminar. Who would pay someone to train their guinea pig? You name it, people will pay to have it trained.
It isn't all one way. On several occasions I've helped her with animal problems. I help her out in goose nesting season. There was a crippled goose at an office complex no one could catch. I successfully netted it for her to take to the rehab center. The whole event was filmed and aired on a local TV station. The two of us are quite the celebrities. She even brought one of her chickens to my city council meeting, also aired on local news.





She kind of left a note. She wrote a huge check to me and left it on her laptop just before she walked off to die. She didn't owe me any money.

This happened a week ago tomorrow. I'm not happy with the woman she was living with. She called me 18 hours after my friend went missing. She asked if I knew where she was. She told me her car was there, her dog was there, her birds were there, her computer was there and her purse was there. I said, "then she's there". What woman leaves home without their purse? I said, "Have you checked the barn and your woods?" She said, "I was in the barn last night and didn't see her." Then she told me about the check. I said, "that tells me she committed suicide." I told her to take her dog outside and it would find her. She found her in the woods about a half hour later, unconscious. When medics came, she was breathing 9 times a minute. It was in the 40s during the night.

A couple other friends visited yesterday and she was off the ventilator and had her eyes open but isn't real responsive and didn't know anyone.

Her mother is flying in on Thursday from the Northwest.


Have to mix it up.
Before we were married, I did all the cooking. I didn't realize until we were married that my wife was a great cook. She made a great brown bag lunch for me every day for about 10 years. I guess she got lazy after that.

I'll have to remember that.

IMHO, anything that says lite, lo cal, fat free, etc.. is not good for you. Read the ingredients.
My wife buys lite pancake syrup. What's the point, I won't eat it. Real maple syrup or nothing.

Sometimes those getting to POL after summer solstice take a long time.


Nice.
My early girls are about done but all the rest have just really kicked in. I guess that's the only advantage of getting them in late. All but one of the others are heirloom varieties.

I can usually pick the tomato hornworms off but they're so darn hard to see - exactly the same color as the stem.

I rotate everything. Heavy feeders, then medium feeders and then light feeders. I usually get 2 crops in each bed each year. Losing my apprentice really put a damper on my garden. I haven't been able to keep the weeds out of the asparagus and strawberries.
I have about 90 plants of about 12 tomato varieties along with some tomatillos.



When I was young, we went to a nightclub that the mob hung out at. We always stayed close to the exit.
About 30 years ago there was a nightclub development on the riverfront in KC, MO. There were a few bombings with mob disputes over control. They even had an advertisement for the district that said, "Lets go down to the landing and get bombed."

I've been wanting to make my own mayonnaise. I'll have to label it CC Mayo.


The last sentence is key.

That's cause you're not old.
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My Jaerhons molted in January. Being from Norway, they probably said, "You call this winter?"

Seems most flocks have individual dynamics. Some flocks with multiple roosters will have lower egg fertility because the roosters spend all their time trying to keep each other from mating. I rarely keep more than one with each flock and each rooster seems to have a favorite hen cause there's always one that's barebacked. It helps pedigreeing with one per flock.


I guess you're too far north for the hurricane to be any relief?



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I wanted to mention something about increasing protein for molting or other purposes. Some things that seem to be high in protein really aren't.
Layer feed is usually 16 or 17% protein. To up the overall protein intake, treats and added feedstuffs have to be higher than that.
The following things, though nutritious, aren't going to boost protein.
Eggs are only 13% protein.
A cup of plain Dannon yogurt is 225 grams and 8 grams of protein, that's only 3.5% protein. Some yogurts are as high as 6%. Greek can be around 10% or so.
Wheat berries are only about 12% protein.
Sunflower seed ranges from 14-20%. Soybean meal is high in protein at 28-42% protein. It is very high in vitamins too.
Most nuts are about 20% protein.
Low fat cheeses can be quite high in protein, ranging from 18% for cottage cheese to 32% for parmesan.
Most legumes are fairly high but are missing some essential amino acids.
Complete amino acids will mostly be gotten from animal sources like meat and fish.
Cheap canned cat foods aren't often higher than chicken feed. If going that route, check the protein % on the label before you buy.

Back to the wheat thing, someone mentioned wheat seed. Make sure it is feed wheat. Wheat for seed is treated with antifungals and probably poisonous.

I buy the 25# container from Walmart for $17.85. I get the square container and always buy $50 purchase and get shipping free. I'm going to use some of this as sprouting seeds. But they love it thrown out with scratch. Mainly oats.
 
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In winter, I grow fodder with BOSS, barley, wheat, Austrian peas and buckwheat. The rest of the year I sprout them. I just use oat groats as scratch when it's hot. It doesn't make fodder very well for some reason.
 
I know it burned the area that the Tevis cup is run every year. For those who dont know the Tevis cup Ride is 100 miles from Lake Taho to Aubern... over some of the roughest terrain I have ever seen. The Sierra Nevadas. The winning times average about 15 hours. or Six miles per hour.

http://teviscup.org/the-trail/about-the-trail

http://www.hrtv.com/videos/inside-information-tevis-cup/

I am stunned they ran the Tevis this year....

deb
its a monster today

That describes my friend exactly. Whenever I needed a hand with anything, she'd be right there.

Remember when Alaskan said he needed a coop fairy to clean his coops? She had just come out the day before that and cleaned 2 of my coops.
My coop fairy, another lady and myself are organizers of a local chicken group with 700 members. Aside from coop tours and other chicken related get togethers, we often mobilize the group when someone is having a city council problem. These people packed city hall for me every 2 weeks for 5 months and we won.
She has an interesting history. She went to boarding school in Greece, ran a hospital nursing staff in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia by the time she was 20. She went to vet school at Colorado State and got a degree in Middle Eastern Studies from Washington University. She has other degrees and attended several other prestigious universities. She speaks about 6 languages including Arabic and Modern Greek. She had been all over Africa, Asia and Europe by her mid 20s. She has a very successful animal behavior business and a Canada Goose management company. She's done rescue work for a long time and is very well respected in that field, including the area Humane Society. They give our group free classroom time in respect for her. There's not an animal she can't train. She even trained an African porcupine and recently did a guinea pig behavior seminar. Who would pay someone to train their guinea pig? You name it, people will pay to have it trained.
It isn't all one way. On several occasions I've helped her with animal problems. I help her out in goose nesting season. There was a crippled goose at an office complex no one could catch. I successfully netted it for her to take to the rehab center. The whole event was filmed and aired on a local TV station. The two of us are quite the celebrities. She even brought one of her chickens to my city council meeting, also aired on local news.





She kind of left a note. She wrote a huge check to me and left it on her laptop just before she walked off to die. She didn't owe me any money.

This happened a week ago tomorrow. I'm not happy with the woman she was living with. She called me 18 hours after my friend went missing. She asked if I knew where she was. She told me her car was there, her dog was there, her birds were there, her computer was there and her purse was there. I said, "then she's there". What woman leaves home without their purse? I said, "Have you checked the barn and your woods?" She said, "I was in the barn last night and didn't see her." Then she told me about the check. I said, "that tells me she committed suicide." I told her to take her dog outside and it would find her. She found her in the woods about a half hour later, unconscious. When medics came, she was breathing 9 times a minute. It was in the 40s during the night.

A couple other friends visited yesterday and she was off the ventilator and had her eyes open but isn't real responsive and didn't know anyone.

Her mother is flying in on Thursday from the Northwest.


Have to mix it up.
Before we were married, I did all the cooking. I didn't realize until we were married that my wife was a great cook. She made a great brown bag lunch for me every day for about 10 years. I guess she got lazy after that.

I'll have to remember that.

IMHO, anything that says lite, lo cal, fat free, etc.. is not good for you. Read the ingredients.
My wife buys lite pancake syrup. What's the point, I won't eat it. Real maple syrup or nothing.

Sometimes those getting to POL after summer solstice take a long time.


Nice.
My early girls are about done but all the rest have just really kicked in. I guess that's the only advantage of getting them in late. All but one of the others are heirloom varieties.

I can usually pick the tomato hornworms off but they're so darn hard to see - exactly the same color as the stem.

I rotate everything. Heavy feeders, then medium feeders and then light feeders. I usually get 2 crops in each bed each year. Losing my apprentice really put a damper on my garden. I haven't been able to keep the weeds out of the asparagus and strawberries.
I have about 90 plants of about 12 tomato varieties along with some tomatillos.



When I was young, we went to a nightclub that the mob hung out at. We always stayed close to the exit.
About 30 years ago there was a nightclub development on the riverfront in KC, MO. There were a few bombings with mob disputes over control. They even had an advertisement for the district that said, "Lets go down to the landing and get bombed."

I've been wanting to make my own mayonnaise. I'll have to label it CC Mayo.


The last sentence is key.

That's cause you're not old.
lol.png


My Jaerhons molted in January. Being from Norway, they probably said, "You call this winter?"

Seems most flocks have individual dynamics. Some flocks with multiple roosters will have lower egg fertility because the roosters spend all their time trying to keep each other from mating. I rarely keep more than one with each flock and each rooster seems to have a favorite hen cause there's always one that's barebacked. It helps pedigreeing with one per flock.


I guess you're too far north for the hurricane to be any relief?



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I wanted to mention something about increasing protein for molting or other purposes. Some things that seem to be high in protein really aren't.
Layer feed is usually 16 or 17% protein. To up the overall protein intake, treats and added feedstuffs have to be higher than that.
The following things, though nutritious, aren't going to boost protein.
Eggs are only 13% protein.
A cup of plain Dannon yogurt is 225 grams and 8 grams of protein, that's only 3.5% protein. Some yogurts are as high as 6%. Greek can be around 10% or so.
Wheat berries are only about 12% protein.
Sunflower seed ranges from 14-20%. Soybean meal is high in protein at 28-42% protein. It is very high in vitamins too.
Most nuts are about 20% protein.
Low fat cheeses can be quite high in protein, ranging from 18% for cottage cheese to 32% for parmesan.
Most legumes are fairly high but are missing some essential amino acids.
Complete amino acids will mostly be gotten from animal sources like meat and fish.
Cheap canned cat foods aren't often higher than chicken feed. If going that route, check the protein % on the label before you buy.

Back to the wheat thing, someone mentioned wheat seed. Make sure it is feed wheat. Wheat for seed is treated with antifungals and probably poisonous.
no I wish, maybe rain Thursday though


I am incredibly sorry Guy.
 
I got this pic a hour ago.
the fire is really burning with lots of evacuations .
you can really see the dark smoke billowing standing on the dam.
fire is now at 12,780 acres




another sad not on fires is keep everyone in the town of Weed ( Norcal in your thoughts )
over 150 residential structures damaged or lost with a unknown amount of commercial buildings.
That is a large percentage of that town gone. very sad
 
I got this pic a hour ago.
the fire is really burning with lots of evacuations .
you can really see the dark smoke billowing standing on the dam.
fire is now at 12,780 acres




another sad not on fires is keep everyone in the town of Weed ( Norcal in your thoughts )
over 150 residential structures damaged or lost with a unknown amount of commercial buildings.
That is a large percentage of that town gone. very sad

Oh mannn.... 12780 acres its developed an environment of its own.... Monster is right.

Our Cuyamaca forest and the Laguna forest were decimated during the Cedar fire.... Drought killed or stressed trees in combination with Beetle infestation because of the stress made our forest go up like a lighted match...

Keep those evac plans in the forefront. We got rain today.... One minute I was complaining it was 104 degrees the sky was clear and I started hearing Rain drops. Those big ones about the size of a silver dollar smacking the aluminum awning over the back patio. You coudl watch them evaporate after they hit. In the ten minutes I had to write about it the rain stopped and you sould see what could only be steam in the air. But the wind switched direction to bring it to us... It never blows from the north here. Knocked a couple of trees over.

So far its rained enough to wet the streets but it evaporates before it hits the gutters. Hopefully it will make the 400+- miles to get to your place by the weekend.

deb
 
Oh mannn.... 12780 acres its developed an environment of its own.... Monster is right.

Our Cuyamaca forest and the Laguna forest were decimated during the Cedar fire.... Drought killed or stressed trees in combination with Beetle infestation because of the stress made our forest go up like a lighted match...

Keep those evac plans in the forefront. We got rain today.... One minute I was complaining it was 104 degrees the sky was clear and I started hearing Rain drops. Those big ones about the size of a silver dollar smacking the aluminum awning over the back patio. You coudl watch them evaporate after they hit. In the ten minutes I had to write about it the rain stopped and you sould see what could only be steam in the air. But the wind switched direction to bring it to us... It never blows from the north here. Knocked a couple of trees over.

So far its rained enough to wet the streets but it evaporates before it hits the gutters. Hopefully it will make the 400+- miles to get to your place by the weekend.

deb
hearing possible rain Thursday from the west though
 
Helpful hint:
Trouble seeing those tomato hornworms? Get a pair of golf ball finder glasses (they've got filter lenses). It makes the white on the worm a can't-miss-it blinding white. You'll see dazzling spots on the stalk.

@ChickenCanoe
So sorry about your friend. Having dealt with a couple of friends with successful suicides, yeah, it's devasating. Hopefully things turn out for the best. I wish I had better words, but the situation's still raw.

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All those in CA, be safe. It's dry and you have no water, so RUN if you have to! Too bad you cannot pump the excess water from AZ's now and future floods over. (Of course, that would be quite a pipeline to get it up to Weed)
 
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