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When I was a kid one of my mom's sayings was "if you don't behave, I'm going to smack you into next week." I think I was about 10 before I figured out she didn't really have that superpower.
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I lived in time travel.

About a year ago, there was an interesting news story in a paper here, Google and Microsoft were placing data centers in Finland, so the writer wrote how Finland's new competitive edge is that we have a boring country. It's geologically and politically stable, and the colder climate brings down cooling costs significantly.
Kansas City has a lot of office and warehousing centers located in old mines. The computers elevate the temp just enough that they never need to be heated or cooled.

Oh yeah. As a chicken keeper I never knew they were so well balanced. But they are! so cool.
Me on the dance floor, not so much anymore.
I would love to take dance lessons and get my groove back.
I always thought I was a good dancer (maybe I was wrong).
I've taken salsa lessons but for such a simple dance, I can't get it down.

That punishment would be fitting indeed and much more preferable to the anticipated fine he'll receive. Being as the police officer didn't witness the offense, it'll be a "he said, she said" scenario. I'd like them to tack on a trespass, too. I'll not be compensated for the apples, though, which is okay provided the perp is sufficiently addressed in court for misdeeds and unsettling the neighborhood.

The whole incident really rocked my perception of the safety and tranquility of this place....we're a nice community of like-minded folks and I'd hate to have to put up fences as the neighbors all love my park-like yard, especially since it's the only expanse of lawn for their dogs to romp on. (tidy dogs -- and owners -- are welcome for their daily constitutionals) The apple thief tried the argument with me that he thought the tree was abandoned, which was specious at best considering it's sitting in a manicured patch of grass and there were no fallen apples about.

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Anyway, we're nearing our first freeze here. It was 34 this morning and the hollyhocks are starting to look wilty. The apricot has shed its leaves and there's a yellow blanket beneath it. The lawn tractor will be put to duty with more leaf removal/vacuuming than mowing. Fall = big yard cleanup.
I think I missed the whole apple thief story.

nothing worse than tom hanks' fake alabama accent in forrest gump.
You could have tutored him.

I cant live where it snows. I was hoping florida would pass their medical bill by the 60% needed. I actually own property in florida so that would have been cool. I suffer from debilitating night blindness
I think it was 58%, that was close. I saw the result and thought it passed.

me? moving?


can't move, spouse said no.
Is she native Alaskan?

The big one is coming though--It is over due so expect it within the next 200 years....
Our big one is way over due. My house was built after the 1811 devastating quake. It's a tall, skinny, solid brick, 110 year old home. I'm sure it wouldn't still stand after the big one.


Yes the cold... Crap they'd freeze stiff in my current coop.

@ozexpat
Got through the protein study, good info. Any thoughts on the addition of molasses to my FF while my birds moult.
Oh and they didn't like the hemps seeds I gave them nearly as much as I expected. I just feed them out as a treat.
The organic mill I'm working with is using molasses as a binder for their pellets.
What nutritional benefit are you hoping to get with the molasses.


FF is not really practical with large coop numbers so I have not done a lot of research on it. I have limited knowledge on FF.

There are a few people on this thread that are more equipped to answer
For lots of birds, FF is very labor intensive. Especially with multiple flocks like I usually have.
IMO, there are 2 major benefits that keep me doing it.
My overall feed use is about 2/3 of what I use with dry feed. Also, the fines in the feed which is where all the goodies are located, are bound up in the moistened feed. With dry feed, many of the additives including vitamins, minerals, trace stuff and synthetic amino acids end up in the fines and are wasted.
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So my belief is that overall nutrition is improved, less from the fermenting process than from retaining additives.

I use plastic gutter as troughs. Each morning and sometimes in the afternoon I carry a bucket and fill the troughs. For young birds, I fill the troughs at night so they can get a bedtime snack before lights out and have feed available at sunrise.

I also keep bulk feeders with dry feed in some of the coops depending on who's in there.

Looks like I'll be starting a new job very soon... Just in case I drop off the face of the planet, you'll at least know why this time.
Good luck on the new adventure.

once a drug pusher, always a drug pusher
Pencil pusher, paper shuffler.


Any public officials salary is public. Now im an argentine lake duck
That's public information, less the kickbacks.

Your services are probably in great demand.

I almost went into my spiel about unnecessary antibiotic use, but I think I've done it too many times already. I'll just say "Yay for the Canadian way".
Lot to be said for that.

I used to be on a different chicken forum (since closed). Whenever someone would mention there was something wrong with their chicken, the main contributor/moderator etc. would immediately tell the person to worm and administer antibiotics. No idea if they had a treatable bacterial infection or worms.
Needless to say I wasn't the most appreciated commentator on that forum.
 
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For lots of birds, FF is very labor intensive. Especially with multiple flocks like I usually have.
IMO, there are 2 major benefits that keep me doing it.
My overall feed use is about 2/3 of what I use with dry feed. Also, the fines in the feed which is where all the goodies are located, are bound up in the moistened feed. With dry feed, many of the additives including vitamins, minerals, trace stuff and synthetic amino acids end up in the fines and are wasted.

I have trouble with such an incredible reduction in feed use. While I see numbers like that thrown around, it just seems too much.

Studies show in broilers an improved feed conversion - from 2.98 to 2.73 but thats a long way from 33%

Where is the reduction in feed occuring?
 
CC I am just hoping the molasses will help with the physical stress of moulting by giving a vitamin boost...
A fella on permies.com was trying to make 1500 pounds of FF, a one month supply for his flock... Didn't see if he found away.
 
CC I am just hoping the molasses will help with the physical stress of moulting by giving a vitamin boost...
A fella on permies.com was trying to make 1500 pounds of FF, a one month supply for his flock... Didn't see if he found away.
I think it might start smelling quite interesting...
 
I have trouble with such an incredible reduction in feed use. While I see numbers like that thrown around, it just seems too much.

Studies show in broilers an improved feed conversion - from 2.98 to 2.73 but thats a long way from 33%

Where is the reduction in feed occuring?

I am using less feed with FF but there is no way I could say how much less. And I see huge fluctuations in feed use between summer and winter already.... Between free ranging in summer and higher consumption to keep warm in winter I don't even know how to figure out the difference FF has made. I see that number thrown around a lot in respect to FF but nobody ever says where the number came from... Like to know where they got it too.
 
Someone was saying (I think) that they would add in catfish feed to add protein, am I remembering that correctly? If so how much and what kind? It makes since to me that the chickens and ducks would need a little more protein in the winter... Idk just what I'm thinking
 
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Had a good trip to Vandy, Dr says it's most likely the nerves waking up that are causing Maddy's pain. He said there will be some pain, itching and even little "shocks" as th nerves regrow or wake up. He said to give her children's Motrin. We go back in a few months. We used the heck out of our Dunkin Donut iPhone app. I love it!

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Someone was saying (I think) that they would add in catfish feed to add protein, am I remembering that correctly? If so how much and what kind? It makes since to me that the chickens and ducks would need a little more protein in the winter... Idk just what I'm thinking

I think it was perchie.girl.
I'm thinking proteins not gonna help them stay warm in the winter I just assume carbs would...
After reading some studies protein seems to Max out its benefits somewhere near like 18% if I remember correctly... And too much protein actually causes them to stop eating enough, which can lead to some other deficiencies... Protein can also add to kidney and liver stress I think...
If I'm wrong someone will come along and correct me :D
 

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