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[casportpony]

So here's a semi-hypothetical question... What should one do when they find a mature bird with these symptoms:

• Extreme weight loss
• Ataxia
• Weakness
• Unable to roost
• Not eating or drinking

Above bird was wormed recently with Safeguard in water and 1% ivermectin orally. Also had a negative fecal float.

-Kathy

 

[hennible]

...cull it?
Or ask you what the Hecks going on and get you to show me how to tube feed...
Hmmm could be botulism... Or lots of thing eek... Back to cull it and have a necropsy done...

 

[casportpony]

...cull it?
Or ask you what the Hecks going on and get you to show me how to tube feed...

Hmmm could be botulism... Or lots of thing eek... Back to cull it and have a necropsy done...

Add more info - bird is probably worth $200.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

It's also the only sick one.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Should also say that it's so weak that it probably would not survive a trip to the vet.

-Kathy

 

[hennible]

Ok
Tube feeb, sub Q fluids, isolated in a warm location, because I'm thinking botulism I might do a toxin flush with Epsom salts and then give it a nice strong antibiotic... If It improves keep up the antibiotic and I'd start feeling it a probiotic...
Although since the bird has lost a lot of weight I'm not sure botulism makes any sense... Scratch the toxin flush....
So I do warm safe location, antibiotics, sub Q fluids, and tube feed... If I see improvement keep up the antibiotics the feedings etc. maybe a vitamin supplement... Probiotics....
Wow no clue really.
Aren't there vitamin deficiencies that can cause paralysis or loss of bodily control??

 

[perchie.girl]

Quote: True, but many vets, including mine, will prescribe it for pet poultry, though even if they didn't, *anyone* can buy it online, Did you know that one can get a liter of generic Baytril without a prescription for $85?

-Kathy

Edited to add this:
http://gamebirdsupplies.com/eng/index/item/3/1/enroxil-10-1-liter

Is that a Mexican Site?

deb

 

[casportpony]

Ok
Tube feeb, sub Q fluids, isolated in a warm location, because I'm thinking botulism I might do a toxin flush with Epsom salts and then give it a nice strong antibiotic... If It improves keep up the antibiotic and I'd start feeling it a probiotic...
Although since the bird has lost a lot of weight I'm not sure botulism makes any sense... Scratch the toxin flush....
So I do warm safe location, antibiotics, sub Q fluids, and tube feed... If I see improvement keep up the antibiotics the feedings etc. maybe a vitamin supplement... Probiotics....
Wow no clue really.
Aren't there vitamin deficiencies that can cause paralysis or loss of bodily control??

Smart thinking, all of it. So you're spot on about how botulism doesn't make sense. This is when one has to look at all the symptoms and past care.

Here is another clue... bird is a Spalding peahen that was wormed with the 3cc Safeguard per gallon method and followed up with ivermectin orally.

For those that don't know peafowl, Spaldings tend to be very wild, so the fact that one could catch this hen is a true indicator of just how close to death she was. Her weight at that time was 2 kg, normal weight for peahen is 3-4 kg.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Is that a Mexican Site?

deb

I think it is! It's amazing what one can get from sites like that. I think I found one selling anabolic steroids!

-Kathy

 

[perchie.girl]

So here's a semi-hypothetical question... What should one do when they find a mature bird with these symptoms:

• Extreme weight loss
• Ataxia
• Weakness
• Unable to roost
• Not eating or drinking

Above bird was wormed recently with Safeguard in water and 1% ivermectin orally. Also had a negative fecal float.

-Kathy

I have heard of negative fecal float and yet still the animal has parasites.....


If it were a horse I would say the worm load was too heavy and there was a sudden die off. Back when I had a momma and colt the colt was about six months old and devleoped a snotty nose.... his tummy was pretty round too. I wanted to worm and the stable owner said no he was too young.... We had a fight and I found a new boarding facility. One look at my colt and the owner said its definately worms. Back then Tube worming was the method of choice... very traumatic on the horse to say the least. She said the best way is to do a light worming kind of like you would to for maintenence. The first dose produced visible worms in his stool. one week later we did a second dose more worms.... one week later a third dose more..... Then we waited one more week and gave him the full on adult wormer.... That flushed out huge amounts of worms.... WE followed up with the second dose as prescribed and we got em all.

the thing is if we had done the full on wormer his body wouldnt have been able to handle the die off and he could have impacted....

deb