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Do the roosters not eat the free choice oyster shells. I knew the layer pellets had more calcium. I had a couple of soft shelled eggs so I put out free choice oyster shells.

I've seen the roosters peck at oyster shell occasionally but I don't worry about that. The main concern is that the feed doesn't contain 4 times the calcium that roosters and non-layers are unable to avoid if they want to eat.
I'm to the point now that I rarely feed layer anymore unless I know every bird in that flock is producing egg shells. I used to have large flocks of young layers and they were all on layer feed. But now the flocks are various ages with roosters and older birds not laying frequently or molting, as well as some not yet laying. IMO it's damaging for birds not in production to get a diet that is 4% calcium.
Layer feed is better suited for production layers where all are the same age and all are actively producing so it is a simple means of providing the hens' nutritional needs.
Research shows that birds will seek out the oyster shell when the egg enters the shell gland so they'll often pick it up in the late afternoon. Large particle oyster shell stays in the upper digestive tract longer than the crumbled particle that is in the feed. This way it makes contact with calcium absorption sites in the intestines when the bird is sleeping, not eating and the shell is forming. So oyster shell or other large particle calcium should always be offered to birds in production whether one feeds layer or not.

There are other causes of soft shells and shell less eggs than low calcium. Other causes are respiratory diseases, too little or too much vitamin D, the wrong ratio of Ca:p (usually between 3 and 4% calcium, to 0.45% phosphorus), mycotoxins, stress and even excessive calcium. With new layers it can be an immature shell gland.

Slipped tendons or enlarged hocks and rickets can be caused by an imbalance of calcium to phosphorus as well as a deficiency of manganese, vitamin D and other vitamins.
http://www.thepoultrysite.com/publications/6/diseases-of-poultry/220/slipped-tendon-perosis

In an egg-laying bird, 10% of the total body calcium reserves can be required for egg production in a 24-hour period. The Ca required for eggshell production is mainly obtained from increased intestinal absorption and the reserves in medullary bone,

There's some good info here
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps029

The below study shows that male broiler breeders die at a rate nearly 4 times that of females and the cause is kidney damage from excessive calcium.
http://www.pjbs.org/ijps/fin1947.pdf

I've also seen studies with roosters given 3 different rations with 0%, 2% and 4% calcium respectively. Those with the higher calcium, in addition to kidney damage had poorer viability of sperm.
 
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I have been out of it for awhile. Wisher so happy you got your silvers form Ohio! How exciting. still trying to catch up. Hope everybody been ok. I lost most of my birds the 30 of Oct. When I went in the hospital. And now my Dr. said no chicken contact for months. But I still have a few and my Turkeys.
 
What happened, Chicka? Are you allergic to the dander or are you having lung problems? Why are you off your chicken addiction? Call me skeptical, but I know that some people think that chickens carry all sorts of diseases and are unhealthy to be around. Since most doctors are people, I would make sure that order was not based on misinformation. On the other hand, if you are immuno suppressed, need to be dust free for lung repair, or have allergies, it would make sense......
 
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I have been out of it for awhile. Wisher so happy you got your silvers form Ohio! How exciting. still trying to catch up. Hope everybody been ok. I lost most of my birds the 30 of Oct. When I went in the hospital. And now my Dr. said no chicken contact for months. But I still have a few and my Turkeys.
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What happened, Chicka? Are you allergic to the dander or are you having lung problems? Why are you off your chicken addiction? Call me skeptical, but I know that some people think that chickens carry all sorts of diseases and are unhealthy to be around. Since most doctors are people, I would make sure that order was not based on misinformation. On the other hand, if you are immuno suppressed, need to be dust free for lung repair, or have allergies, it would make sense......

I never do any work in the coops that might stir things up without a dust mask other than to fill feeders.
 
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The flock gets a grower or flock raiser ration. Free choice oyster shell is provided. The hens will get the calcium they need from the free choice method.

Most feed has a very small difference in ingredients between layer and starter\grower.
True. Calcium is about 4 times higher in layer. Protein is another thing that varies between the two.

I have seen more of a difference between breeder rations and layer feed. The breeder feed has more fat, zinc, selenium, lysine and methionine.
It is indicated that methionine and lysine as well as trace minerals needs to be higher to aid fertility and assure viability of embryos.
 
True. Calcium is about 4 times higher in layer. Protein is another thing that varies between the two.

I have seen more of a difference between breeder rations and layer feed. The breeder feed has more fat, zinc, selenium, lysine and methionine.
It is indicated that methionine and lysine as well as trace minerals needs to be higher to aid fertility and assure viability of embryos.

my home made feed

TO MAKE 100KG Starter Grower Finisher Layer
0-6 6-12 12+
fish meal (kg)
soy meal (kg) 22 10 7 7
rice bran (kg) 78 85 68 68
corn bran (kg)
copra meal (kg) 5 25 25
Salt (g) 100.00 100.00 100.00 100.00
Vit & Elec (g) 50.00 50.00 50.00 50.00
Selenium (mg/100kg) 50.00 50.00 50.00 50.00
Biotin (mg/100kg) 50.00 50.00 50.00 50.00
Oyster Shell (kg) 0.50 0.50 0.50 2.00
Amprolium 20% (g) 63.00

Protein % 21.9 17.4 15.3 15.3
Lysene g/kg 11.5 8.4 6.9 6.9
 
my spreadsheet I used to design my blends based on availability, nutrional needs and cost

copra rice bran soy fish meal maize
Main analysis Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg
Dry matter % as fed 91.5 90.2 87.9 92.2 87.2
Crude protein % DM 22.4 12.7 51.8 70.6 9.5
Crude fibre % DM 14.2 16.3 6.7 2.3
NDF % DM 54.7 34.4 13.7 11.9
ADF % DM 28.7 19.6 8.3 3.1
Lignin % DM 6.7 6.8 0.8 0.6
Ether extract % DM 9.8 14.4 2 9.9 4.1
Ash % DM 6.8 12.4 7.1 18.4 1.4
Total sugars % DM 11.4 2.8 9.4 3.1
Gross energy MJ/kg DM 20.1 20.2 19.7 20.4 18.7
Minerals Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg
Calcium g/kg DM 1.2 0.7 3.9 43.4 0.2
Phosphorus g/kg DM 5.8 13.8 6.9 27.9 2.9
Potassium g/kg DM 20.1 12.3 23.7 8.7 3.5
Sodium g/kg DM 0.6 0.2 0.1 11.3 0
Magnesium g/kg DM 3 6.5 3.1 2.3 1.2
Manganese mg/kg DM 84 138 45 16 13
Zinc mg/kg DM 73 55 54 96 23
Copper mg/kg DM 33 9 18 7 2
Iron mg/kg DM 964 346 367 21
Amino acids Unit Avg Avg Avg Avg Avg
Alanine % protein 4 5.8 4.4 6.3 7.5
Arginine % protein 10.7 7.2 7.4 6.2 4.9
Aspartic acid % protein 7.7 9.3 11.3 9.1 6.8
Cystine % protein 1.2 1.7 1.5 0.8 2.2
Glutamic acid % protein 17.8 12.7 17.7 12.6 18.1
Glycine % protein 4.1 5.2 4.2 6.4 3.9
Histidine % protein 1.9 2.4 2.6 2.4 2.9
Isoleucine % protein 3 5.3 4.6 4.2 3.6
Leucine % protein 5.9 7 7.5 7.2 11.8
Lysine % protein 2.6 4.4 6.1 7.5 3.1
Methionine % protein 1.3 1.9 1.4 2.7 2.1
Phenylalanine % protein 4.1 4.4 5 3.9 4.8
Proline % protein 3.4 4.6 4.9 4.2 8.7
Serine % protein 4.4 4 5 3.9 4.7
Threonine % protein 3 3.7 3.9 4.1 3.5
Tryptophan % protein 1.3 2.2 1.3 1 0.7
Tyrosine % protein 2.1 3.4 3.5 3.1 3.4
Valine % protein 4.7 5.4 4.8 4.9 4.9


I add selenium and biotin as an extra to my supplement mix

Specifications: per 4 oz. per lb.
Vitamin A (IU MIN) 2,500,000 10,000,000
Vitamin D3 (IU MIN) 1,000,000 4,000,000
Vitamin E (IU MIN) 2,000 8,000
Riboflavin (MG MIN) 750 3,000
d pantothenic Acid (MG MIN) 2,000 8,000
Folic Acid (MG MIN) 125 500
Thiamine Mononitrate (MG MIN) 375 1,500
Niacinamide (MG MIN) 5,000 20,000
Pyridoxine HCL (MG MIN) 300 1,200
Ascorbic Acid (MG MIN) 3,750 15,000
Vitamin B-12 (MG MIN) 2.5 10
Menadione (MG MIN) 1,000 4,000
Salt 11.0% (MIN) 13.2% (MAX)
Sodium 4.7% (MIN)
Potassium 3.8% (MIN)
Magnesium 0.26% (MIN)
 
why do i mix myself?

because i am cheap - and i know what they are getting

Starter Grower Finisher Layer
Price per 100kg Php ₱2,094 ₱1,550 ₱1,389 ₱1,389
Price per 100kg USD $49.86 $36.90 $33.07 $33.07
Price per 50lb USD $11.47 $8.49 $7.61 $7.61

Store bought pellets
Price per 100kg Php ₱2,650 ₱2,550 ₱2,520 ₱2,520
Price per 100kg USD $63.10 $60.71 $60.00 $60.00
Price per 50lb USD $14.51 $13.96 $13.80 $13.80

savings per 50lb $3.04 $5.48 $6.19 $6.19
 
I have been out of it for awhile. Wisher so happy you got your silvers form Ohio! How exciting. still trying to catch up. Hope everybody been ok. I lost most of my birds the 30 of Oct. When I went in the hospital. And now my Dr. said no chicken contact for months. But I still have a few and my Turkeys.


Chickadoodles,

I am so sorry to hear of your illness. I hope you a full and quick recovery. I don't know what we would do for entertainment without chicken TV around here. Network TV certainly isn't the kind of quality entertainment that chickens are. I know they miss you. Chicken people are the best.

Byron.
 

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