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ChickenCanoe said:
Every time I hear an American complain about taxes, I think, they should have a discussion with a European. I had a lot of Swedish and Danish friends that schooled me on the subject.

Yes, socialism is a dirty word here. But living it, in practice, it doesn't feel bad at all.
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Funny. I have a lot of Swedish, Danish, British, and other European friends who talk about the glories of socialism - but for some reason they all moved to the US so they could keep more of the money they earned.

Socialism is most popular with those who prefer to receive than to give.

As I noted earlier, supporting all of the Baby Mamas and the Baby Daddys around here is just not my thing. I haven't bought a new item of clothing in three years.
 
bamadude said:
Gas is $3.12/gallon. Large watermelons are $2.50. Corn is 4 ears for $1. Black angus ribeye steak is $3.99/lb. Sirloin $2.99. Tomatos $7 for a 5gallon bucket full. Whole fryer chickens $.99/lb
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wow! It would almost be worth the trip to load up a freezer and head south! You pay the same for Angus Ribeye that we pay for a pound of ground chuck!
 
vehve said:
I think even our most hard core right wingers here would be radical lefties in the States
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But we do have some very unfair taxes here as well. It's a nice way to get votes saying that high income takers should pay their fair share of taxes and low income takers should get tax cuts, but if you're making six figures and paying almost 60% income tax, I'd say your paying 20 fair shares. Adding a couple grand annually isn't fair anymore. And someone making 1500 euros a month isn't really going to benefit all that much from the extra 10 euros they're getting, money that could be used to improve healthcare, infrastructure or education. Or heck, maybe just take a bit less national debt. My thinking isn't very popular though. Another thing that shocked me, was when I read the news that 3000 spots were going to be cut from art education. The part that shocked me, was that it was possible to cut 3000 spots, have we really needed that many unemployed art historians and bad painters? But again, my thoughts on that matter aren't very popular. And I do understand that some money should be spent on culture as well, I just don't see why it should be spent at the expense of health care or basic education.
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Here in the US those who are higher earned income - but not in the capitalist class - pay the highest percentages of their income in taxes. People like Nancy Pelosi, who is the wealthiest woman in Congress, Senator Feinstein, and the late Senator Kennedy who most support tax increases have made sure the structure does not impact them. In fact, Messrs. Kennedy and Gore carefully crafted legislation making the Kennedy family's Arctic, Kenoil and Mokeen and the Gore's Occidental immune from the taxes imposed on so-called "Big Oil."

And don't even get me started on the use of eminent domain by powerful politicians to give large subsidies to their cronies and to displace small business and other troublesome people.
 

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