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ronott1 said:
Fermenting feed makes lactobacillus.

You can also make it directly:

http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/lactobacillus-serum/

Quote from the site:
To me it would make more sense to make this instead of fermenting feed. There is too much of the year at my place when you just cannot do fermented feed.
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I personally can't do all of that. So I spent the $30 for a quart of EM-1. Essentially the same thing. It makes hundreds of gallons of it for the feed. @pdirt also uses it for a drink for health. Maybe he will chime in about it. To make a 5 gallon bucket of feed I use 1/2 cup AEM and 1/3 cup molasses. Grain or feed and water. Let it sit for 3-4 days the first time and it's ready. After that I let it get down to a couple of inches from the bottom and do it again. Ready overnight. I also use 1/2 c of AEM to one gallon of water and spray down the coop. Fabulous.


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I've made the lactobacillus serum mentioned in the link. I never did end up using it, not sure why. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that the pH wasn't all that low and I felt iff-y about using it. Supposedly, it's mostly LABs, which are great and certainly a low-cost way to go with some very good benefits. I prefer to use EM (commercially made) because it also has the oh-so-useful Purple Non-Sulfur Bacteria (PNSBs). Some folks say you can add your own PNSBs to your LAB serum by adding some soil from around the base of a decomposing tree stump. You could try it. But how would you know it really works? And the "magic" of EM is the fact that the yeasts, LABs and PNSBs all work together in balance/harmony...no one class of microorganisms ends up taking over and running the show. I just don't know enough about this stuff to believe I can create a similar balance. Perhaps someday I will. I do enough "mad scientist" sort of things using EM and would rather not be guessing on what I am adding to the mix. And yes, I do ingest some of my brews, but only ones made that are intended for human consumption.
 
pdirt said:
I personally can't do all of that. So I spent the $30 for a quart of EM-1. Essentially the same thing. It makes hundreds of gallons of it for the feed. @pdirt also uses it for a drink for health. Maybe he will chime in about it. To make a 5 gallon bucket of feed I use 1/2 cup AEM and 1/3 cup molasses. Grain or feed and water. Let it sit for 3-4 days the first time and it's ready. After that I let it get down to a couple of inches from the bottom and do it again. Ready overnight. I also use 1/2 c of AEM to one gallon of water and spray down the coop. Fabulous.


****

I've made the lactobacillus serum mentioned in the link. I never did end up using it, not sure why. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that the pH wasn't all that low and I felt iff-y about using it. Supposedly, it's mostly LABs, which are great and certainly a low-cost way to go with some very good benefits. I prefer to use EM (commercially made) because it also has the oh-so-useful Purple Non-Sulfur Bacteria (PNSBs). Some folks say you can add your own PNSBs to your LAB serum by adding some soil from around the base of a decomposing tree stump. You could try it. But how would you know it really works? And the "magic" of EM is the fact that the yeasts, LABs and PNSBs all work together in balance/harmony...no one class of microorganisms ends up taking over and running the show. I just don't know enough about this stuff to believe I can create a similar balance. Perhaps someday I will. I do enough "mad scientist" sort of things using EM and would rather not be guessing on what I am adding to the mix. And yes, I do ingest some of my brews, but only ones made that are intended for human consumption.
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Thanks for the information on EM. I am using Big Ole bird which is similar. I may try the EM next time.
 
hennible said:
Warning lame joke coming....
These eggs are from Vegas chickens.
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Serving tripe is grounds for divorce for sure!
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... or "Warning lamé joke coming..."



Looks like something from Liberace's fridge.
 
pdirt said:
I personally can't do all of that. So I spent the $30 for a quart of EM-1. Essentially the same thing. It makes hundreds of gallons of it for the feed. @pdirt also uses it for a drink for health. Maybe he will chime in about it. To make a 5 gallon bucket of feed I use 1/2 cup AEM and 1/3 cup molasses. Grain or feed and water. Let it sit for 3-4 days the first time and it's ready. After that I let it get down to a couple of inches from the bottom and do it again. Ready overnight. I also use 1/2 c of AEM to one gallon of water and spray down the coop. Fabulous.


****

I've made the lactobacillus serum mentioned in the link. I never did end up using it, not sure why. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that the pH wasn't all that low and I felt iff-y about using it. Supposedly, it's mostly LABs, which are great and certainly a low-cost way to go with some very good benefits. I prefer to use EM (commercially made) because it also has the oh-so-useful Purple Non-Sulfur Bacteria (PNSBs). Some folks say you can add your own PNSBs to your LAB serum by adding some soil from around the base of a decomposing tree stump. You could try it. But how would you know it really works? And the "magic" of EM is the fact that the yeasts, LABs and PNSBs all work together in balance/harmony...no one class of microorganisms ends up taking over and running the show. I just don't know enough about this stuff to believe I can create a similar balance. Perhaps someday I will. I do enough "mad scientist" sort of things using EM and would rather not be guessing on what I am adding to the mix. And yes, I do ingest some of my brews, but only ones made that are intended for human consumption.
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Okay, pdirt, give me an example of what you mean. I understand using food grade molasses but how do you mix it and with what? Juice? By itself?
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