The Olive-Egger thread!

[Little Wing]

Very informative post! That cleared things up a lot for me. THANKS!!

 

[buckabucka]

And answers my question... Green layer (Isbar) x Marans should give me a dark olive layer (unless I misunderstood something!)

 

[seventreesfarm]

So how would one attempt the holy grail - self-replicating olive-eggers?

The basic requirements are green egg shell and brown 'paint' applicator, right?

Or is the green shell color just an illusion of brown over blue?

If shell color and paint color are from 2 different genetic sources, shouldn't it be possible to combine the 2 traits in one 'breed'?

I did find this thread on breeding Olivers - http://www.poultryconnection.com/forums/showthread.php?1291-Olive-Eggers

 

[enggass]

While were talking cross combos - this may be an EE question - what would you get if you cross a brown/tan Roo(say BLRW) with a Blue egg layer(say Ameraucana)? Would the resulting hens lay green?

 

[CookFarms]

do these look like olive eggers

 

[Chickengirl47]

A closer picture would help. If they are OEs they will lay green eggs.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

you make no genetic sence...



lets make this alot easier for you lot..

what happens when you cross a white egg layer to a Dark Dark brown egg layer? do you get Dark brown eggs? or do you get tan/brown colore eggs?

what happens whe you cross a brown egg layer to a Dark Dark brown egg layer? do you get tan/brown eggs or do you gert dark brown eggs?..

Blue egg shell gene + white egg shell gene = Blue egg shelled eggs
Blue egg shell gene + Tan/brown shell genes = light green/green eggs
Blue egg shell gene + Dark brown shell genes = Olive eggs
Blue egg shel gene + Dark Dark(maran type) shell genes = Super Dark Olive eggs..

so if wish to hatch Olive eggers using a bird that already lays green eggs will help you achieve darker olive eggs

I hope thats easy enough for you guys..



your understanding on this matter is very limited .



again your understanding on this matter is very limitted, Genes dont get lost, specially genes that are attached to other genes you can see at hatch...

let me try to explain..

BCM Rooster over a True Ameraucana(Blue eggs) = 100% of All of the hens will have just One copy of the blue egg shell gene. but their mother´s white egg shell base genes will Dilute the dark egg genes to a Tan or light brown eggs. adding one copy of the blue egg gene(O) will make them green maybe light Olive.

BCM rooster ove an EE hens that is laying green eggs(the darker the best) = Only 50% of the Females will have the Pea comb. and they will also have one copy of the blue egg shell gene(just the like the cross above) but their´s mother green egg shen genes(many genes at play). will not Dilute the DARK egg genes found on BCM as much as the above cross..

so here is the rundown.

BCM x Ameraucana cross Hen= One Copy of the Blue egg shell gene plus diluted Dark brown egg shell genes will give you green eggs or light Olive eggs.

BCM x EE cross Hen= One Copy of the blue egg shell gene as well. plus a brown egg shell genes will surely give you Olive eggs...




hey how do I go about getting even darker Olive eggers? well thats EASY.. Use the best(darker eggs) F1 hens(BCM x EE) and mate them back to BCMs.. just be in the look out for pea combed chicks. they are the keepers. if you keep doing this you have 95% chance of getting even darker eggs at times goes by and they are simply Black Copper Marans with a Pea Comb(that also lay the Darkest Olive eggs the world has seen)

And answers my question... Green layer (Isbar) x Marans should give me a dark olive layer (unless I misunderstood something!)

I am planning on a similar cross with a Isbar x White Empordanesa cross. The issue here lies in the pea comb as you will not really know until they lay and I would not use the males. Breed the olive eggers hens back to the brown egg layer Rooster and grow out the chicks until they lay.
That is the only way to know for sure..

 

[farmerChef]

do these look like olive eggers

The small dark one and the large light one have lightly feathered legs. I hatched them all together, so I dont know if they EEs or OEs. The feathered legged ones are likely OEs

 

[DMRippy]

Quote: MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE is.... when I crossed a GREEN egg layer as you suggested I do a few months ago to a Marans, I didn't get Olive Eggers, I got DARK egg layers with blue shells.... had to sell them all. Then I crossed Olive Eggers (laid Olive Eggs) to a Marans to darken the egg and YES they were mostly ALL dark layers. SO after hatching about 50 chicks, culling the roos and more than 1/2 of them maybe 2/3 for straight combs and then getting none that laid a pretty olive egg it was a total waste of my time. Just too hard to sell mutt chickens with an unknown egg color too. You are crossing a bird that only has one copy of the pea comb gene and one straight comb gene to a bird with 2 copies of the straight combs. GENETICALLY speaking only 25% will carry the blue egg gene if you agree that the pea comb is genetically linked to blue eggs. Using an EE with one copy of the blue egg gene (DOMINATE) and one white egg gene (EE) x with a bird with 2 copies of white egg genes (Marans) will not produce too many olive eggers. GENTICALLY Speaking they should travel together but that is NOT 100%. I can quot a biology book if you would like. My EE'ers Green eggs are a very LIGHT blue an not nearly as VIBRANT of a blue as my PURE AMS. I can candle the EE eggs but not the AMS eggs. The darker and more intense the blue and the darker the brown coating the more OLIVE the egg is.

To each his own... and this is JMHO but I will stick with the best cross I have ever made.... PURE AMs to Marans and I will continue to only use that cross. I have had ZERO Success with subsequent crosses and I don't have time to work with them to get them to breed true. If the roos from subsequint crosses carry all the same genes as the pullet did, there is NO TELLING what color egg genes he carries even with a pea comb..... just more work than I am willing to put in Olive Eggers. I was SOOOOO FRUSTRATED with the birds I grew out for 6-8 months I SOLD THEM ALL and have not had and Olive Egger pen since.

I may not know all the in's and out of genetics but I know what I got from those crosses and will NOT be making the crosses again in the near future.

 

[Bleenie]

While were talking cross combos - this may be an EE question - what would you get if you cross a brown/tan Roo(say BLRW) with a Blue egg layer(say Ameraucana)? Would the resulting hens lay green?

I have a couple hens that are Wyandotte x OE and still lay the olive-colored eggs.