The Olive-Egger thread!

[ronott1]

should also note I have sold all the U of A crosses at day one and only hatched a few so i have not kept much track on them yet.
Ill be hatching more of those once I put my silver ameraucana in with the crele penedesenca this week,
The U of A blue's will be in with my White Empordanesa.

I can't wait to see them!

 

[maryhysong]

Excuse me, but reread the part about the 4 females used. They were ROSE combs and layers of BLUE eggs. The rooster was Single combed and non blue egg. The British Auracana does have a crest and a tail and Punnet was British. Now you may argue that these British Auracana below have pea combs and not rose but they are definitively not single.

 

[Penny Hen]

Re-Read that again and come back when you have realized that the hens were Heterozygous for the rose comb(R/r+) none of them carry Pea Combs, and Why they had only one copy of Rose comb? because these hens were F1 products of the Chilean stock(single comb r+/r+) mated to Hamburgs(R/r+)...


so no no Araucana/Ameraucana blood in them, but you can argue that the Ameraucana or Araucana can trace their lineage to some parts of Chille and South America


here my take from last year

http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=107355

You are right about the Hamburgs. That is where the Rose Comb comes in. But you are do not seem to be aware of the larger history of the South American breeds.

 

[Penny Hen]

As I understand it, the Brits don't have a tailless, blue egg laying chicken at all either with tufts or beards. Occasionally they will have one of their Auracanas born without a tail so that indicates that the Collancas (where the tailless gene came from) had some part of their makeup but not as prominent a factor as in the American version of the Auracanas.

These pictures and text are from Yashar's thread. As you can read they were from Chile, were clean faced, no tufts, and have a variety of egg colors more than just blue/green and brown.

# 3 - Colloncas (very nice line)
Colloncas are one of the original and most ancient breeds of the Mapuche Indian culture of Chile. They produce generous numbers of colourful eggs and like many South American fowl lay well into the winter. Some hens will produce a pale sea foam hued egg, others robin blue, ash grey and even lilac. A single pair of Colloncas may produce hens that each lay a different colour.

Colloncas are best known for innate tameness. They enjoy being held but unlike Silky fowl, which also enjoy human companionship, the Colloncas is completely winter hardy and can evade predators ably. It is a fairly strong flier and one of the more quiet breeds. Colloncas are very good at tick and fly control and are traditionally kept with sheep and llamas.
The Colloncas is one of the two primary ancestors of the Araucana. It is advisable that the poultier keep at least two roosters with a flock of hens, three is the ideal number as Colloncas have strong pair bonds and the roosters work in cooperation to defend and chaperone hens and chicks. As a rule, true Colloncas roosters do not fight with one another and are never aggressive with people.



This is the Sweet Potato Quetchua. As you can see it resembles the Ameraucana much more having small beards. Also from Yashar's thread


# 2 - Sweet Potato Quechua
This is an antique South American relative of the North American Ameraucana. Our strains have Marquesas Island Junglefowl (Gallus temmincki Gould) ancestry as well as old Peruvian Indian village hen genetics.

Some Sweet Potato Quechua produce unusually blue or turquoise eggs and some will produce tea yellow or pale pinkish brown eggs. Most lay a pale aqua or stone hued egg. Being a fantastic layer of medium eggs. It is often an even more consistent winter layer than the Ameraucana and it’s still more cold hardy.

This unusual breed is a great forager, unusually sweet tempered and lovely. Sweet Potato Quechuas make fine mothers. They are an unusually striking fowl that don’t ruin a garden. The roosters have a musical crow and are fairly quiet compared with most breeds.


Now this breed is from southern Mexico but has crests. I think (not know) that this is where the gene for the crests in the British Auracana comes from as well as the crests in the Cream Legbar. If not directly from them then from a predecessor of theirs from further south.


The Huastec is one of the rarest breeds in the world. It's an ancient black-boned fowl from southern Mexico and Ecuador.
The Huastec produces lots of medium to large eggs, is calm, confiding, personable and fairly quiet.

Whereas the breeds of some roosters, like the Leghorn, tend to fiercely exclude other roosters from access to hens and shelter, the Huastec is a cooperative breeder. They can be run in braces; three to five roosters to accompany a little bevy of hens. Each rooster has a favorite hen and vise versa. The Huastec is incredibly cold hardy and make wonderful parents. The roosters are just as attentive to the chicks as the hens.

These pictures are from Resoutions Quechua/Tojuda/Ameraucana-Easter-Eggers thread. These are the names given to these chickens in South America.

Colloncas de Quechua ( tailless Quechua that lays blue eggs) As you might notice this Collanca has a beard which Yashar's bloodline does not.


Colloncas de Quechua de Aretes (de Aretes means with earrings) what Americans would call Auracana





Quechua de Aretes, ( tufted /tailed Quechua that produces blue eggs).


It is my hypothosis that the British Auracana was composed of the Collana, the Huastec and the Sweet Potato Quechua.
The Auracana was composed of the Collana and the Quechua de Aretes and possibly some Sweet Potato with the selection for rumplessness made.
The Americana may have had more Sweet Potato plus the Collana or the Collana de Aretes but selected away from tufts.

If you read the link below you will find out that the blue egg laying gene didn't get spread around till in the 1900's. It originally came through the Collanas (who can lay several colors besides blue) but the blues were selected in exclusion to the other shades.


The best overveiw that I have seen so far of the development of the South American breeds is by Resolution. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/402512/quechua-tojuda-ameraucana-easter-eggers-in-vino-veritas

 

[maryhysong]

Penny Hen; thanks for all that info, very interesting! I especially like that the roosters are cooperative, wish some of my boys would be like that!

 

[Hangtown Farms]

As I understand it, the Brits don't have a tailless, blue egg laying chicken at all either with tufts or beards. Occasionally they will have one of their Auracanas born without a tail so that indicates that the Collancas (where the tailless gene came from) had some part of their makeup but not as prominent a factor as in the American version of the Auracanas.

These pictures and text are from Yashar's thread. As you can read they were from Chile, were clean faced, no tufts, and have a variety of egg colors more than just blue/green and brown.

# 3 - Colloncas (very nice line)
Colloncas are one of the original and most ancient breeds of the Mapuche Indian culture of Chile. They produce generous numbers of colourful eggs and like many South American fowl lay well into the winter. Some hens will produce a pale sea foam hued egg, others robin blue, ash grey and even lilac. A single pair of Colloncas may produce hens that each lay a different colour.

Colloncas are best known for innate tameness. They enjoy being held but unlike Silky fowl, which also enjoy human companionship, the Colloncas is completely winter hardy and can evade predators ably. It is a fairly strong flier and one of the more quiet breeds. Colloncas are very good at tick and fly control and are traditionally kept with sheep and llamas.
The Colloncas is one of the two primary ancestors of the Araucana. It is advisable that the poultier keep at least two roosters with a flock of hens, three is the ideal number as Colloncas have strong pair bonds and the roosters work in cooperation to defend and chaperone hens and chicks. As a rule, true Colloncas roosters do not fight with one another and are never aggressive with people.



This is the Sweet Potato Quetchua. As you can see it resembles the Ameraucana much more having small beards. Also from Yashar's thread


# 2 - Sweet Potato Quechua
This is an antique South American relative of the North American Ameraucana. Our strains have Marquesas Island Junglefowl (Gallus temmincki Gould) ancestry as well as old Peruvian Indian village hen genetics.

Some Sweet Potato Quechua produce unusually blue or turquoise eggs and some will produce tea yellow or pale pinkish brown eggs. Most lay a pale aqua or stone hued egg. Being a fantastic layer of medium eggs. It is often an even more consistent winter layer than the Ameraucana and it’s still more cold hardy.

This unusual breed is a great forager, unusually sweet tempered and lovely. Sweet Potato Quechuas make fine mothers. They are an unusually striking fowl that don’t ruin a garden. The roosters have a musical crow and are fairly quiet compared with most breeds.


Now this breed is from southern Mexico but has crests. I think (not know) that this is where the gene for the crests in the British Auracana comes from as well as the crests in the Cream Legbar. If not directly from them then from a predecessor of theirs from further south.


The Huastec is one of the rarest breeds in the world. It's an ancient black-boned fowl from southern Mexico and Ecuador.
The Huastec produces lots of medium to large eggs, is calm, confiding, personable and fairly quiet.

Whereas the breeds of some roosters, like the Leghorn, tend to fiercely exclude other roosters from access to hens and shelter, the Huastec is a cooperative breeder. They can be run in braces; three to five roosters to accompany a little bevy of hens. Each rooster has a favorite hen and vise versa. The Huastec is incredibly cold hardy and make wonderful parents. The roosters are just as attentive to the chicks as the hens.

These pictures are from Resoutions Quechua/Tojuda/Ameraucana-Easter-Eggers thread. These are the names given to these chickens in South America.

Colloncas de Quechua ( tailless Quechua that lays blue eggs) As you might notice this Collanca has a beard which Yashar's bloodline does not.


Colloncas de Quechua de Aretes (de Aretes means with earrings) what Americans would call Auracana





Quechua de Aretes, ( tufted /tailed Quechua that produces blue eggs).


It is my hypothosis that the British Auracana was composed of the Collana, the Huastec and the Sweet Potato Quechua.
The Auracana was composed of the Collana and the Quechua de Aretes and possibly some Sweet Potato with the selection for rumplessness made.
The Americana may have had more Sweet Potato plus the Collana or the Collana de Aretes but selected away from tufts.

If you read the link below you will find out that the blue egg laying gene didn't get spread around till in the 1900's. It originally came through the Collanas (who can lay several colors besides blue) but the blues were selected in exclusion to the other shades.


The best overveiw that I have seen so far of the development of the South American breeds is by Resolution. https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/402512/quechua-tojuda-ameraucana-easter-eggers-in-vino-veritas

pretty

 

[michaelf]

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

 

[draye]

Merry Christmas everyone!!!

Thanks, hope you has a Merry Christmas also.


Well I think my Blue Copper boy is happier now, yesterday I moved some birds around and he got 3 new wives. He had 2 Blue Copper hens with him, and I want to try for some Oliver EE'rs so I gave him a solid blue hen and 2 Gold/Blue (Classic color EE's but with blue). So now he has 5 wives.

 

[spunkychickenmomma]

@ronott1 , my patience has finally paid off! One of my Isbar x FBCM pullet laid her first eggs over the past couple of days. Decent olive color with spots. Would like a little deeper color, but am happy with the color for now. Also in the picture, one of my black tailed buff marans first eggs over the past couple of days. For comparison I put in an egg from one of my NNs and a store bought white egg.

 

[Hangtown Farms]

nice egg