The Rhodebar thread!

[rc50]

That fellow in my Avatar trust me was well worth the almost five years and over 72 culls it took me to get him.... He was Mr. Alpha Male straight out of the egg...


Keith
SC
USA

 

[eramsey99]

That fellow in my Avatar trust me was well worth the almost five years and over 72 culls it took me to get him.... He was Mr. Alpha Male straight out of the egg...


Keith
SC
USA

So that all started breeding a RIR male to a Barred Rock female..?

 

[Makomd]

That fellow in my Avatar trust me was well worth the almost five years and over 72 culls it took me to get him.... He was Mr. Alpha Male straight out of the egg...


Keith
SC
USA

I would most certainly agree!!!!

 

[Syerf]

Out of curiosity, could a barred rock carry e+?

 

[rc50]

Yes... it all started from that... But what i breed are not Rhodebars... I breed Hampbars.... Hampbars were first created at the University of British Columbia starting in 1948 - 1950 ...I have a copy of the thesis written up by them in July 1950 that i use even today.. I even have a Standard for them from that thesis paper... they called them Barred New Hampshires....
Hampbars are more a burnt orange red than the red of a Rhodebar..... and of course were breed from New Hampshires...



http://hpbaa.com/Hampbars.html

Keith
SC
USA

 

[Makomd]

No they are Extended Black (E). If the barring gene was not present they would be an all black bird.

Think of a black sex link. RIR over Barred Rock hen. The hens are black, but will have red flecks or breast feathers.

 

[nicalandia]

But if you breed such a E/e+ or E/ewh male back to a pure wheaten female... where would you get a wild type from.. ? I guess I am asking where would the wild type come from given the make up of the parents genes used.. to make up a Hampbar or a Rhodebar for that matter... ?


Keith
SC
USA

There is not Wildtype e+ on Barred rock, the Barred rock was used to introduce the barring gene, the wildtype e+ e allele was introduced by crossing to another e+ bird, most likely a welbar or a welsummer.

the Hampbars and Rhodebars are like RIR and NH except they carry e+ and Barring which is the combination to create autosexing chicks

Out of curiosity, could a barred rock carry e+?

No, they carry Extended Bacl E/E

Yes... it all started from that... But what i breed are not Rhodebars... I breed Hampbars.... Hampbars were first created at the University of British Columbia starting in 1948 - 1950 ...I have a copy of the thesis written up by them in July 1950 that i use even today.. I even have a Standard for them from that thesis paper... they called them Barred New Hampshires....
Hampbars are more a burnt orange red than the red of a Rhodebar..... and of course were breed from New Hampshires...



http://hpbaa.com/Hampbars.html

Keith
SC
USA

there is no Extended black on Rhodebar and there is not e+ on Barred rocks, Rhodebars and Hampbars carry the wildtype e+ gene that when in the presence of the sex linked barring gene would create an autosexing chicks, there are other autosexing e alleles like Birche ER and eb but they look different from the chipmunk colored chicks found on wildtype chicks like the hampbars and Rhodebars




I'm not into much history but nobody can fool me into thinking these chicks are nothing but wildtype chicks...

 

[rc50]

In the creation and breeding of a Rhodebar or Hampbar I have never seen the use of a Welsummer or Welbar in their breeding... Here in the USA they would have to first create the Welbar to even use that... I know in my own breeding there is neither....


Keith
SC
USA

 

[nicalandia]

In the creation and breeding of a Rhodebar or Hampbar I have never seen the use of a Welsummer or Welbar in their breeding... Here in the USA they would have to first create the Welbar to even use that... I know in my own breeding there is neither....


Keith
SC
USA

Regardless, the Fact istill remains, Rhodebars and Hampbars are Wildtype e+ at the e locus and thats a fact, even if NH and RIR are Wheaten themself, how was the e+ introduced on these breeds is of no concern to me..

are your chicks autosexing at hatch? if yes then they are wildtype e+ at the e locus. if not then they are not trully Hampbars are they? and adding the barring gene to NH wont make them autosexable, wheaten is not an autosexable e locus.



Legbars of all colors(silver,gold, cream) Welbars(silver and gold) Hampbars, Rhodebars, Silver Crele Leghorns, Crele Leghorns, are all autosexing breeds and all of them carry the e+ wildtype e allele, why hampbars and rhodebars lack the eWh wheaten e allele? simple, it cant be use as an Autosexing chick down, e+ is the most acurate of the autosexing e allele followed by eb(brown, partridge penedesenca) and ER(birchen, found on golden cuckoo marans)

 

[AyeUpChuck]

I don't mean to interrupt the genetics discussion but I just wanted to stop by and see if anyone had any hatching eggs available at all. I'm trying to hatch them for our spring swap here in Oregon which is at the end of April. If anyone has any available please pm me with price or I'm always up for trade!