The Rhodebar thread!

[rc50]

Maybe it was just the New Hampshires I had when I started my breeding but I don't think I have ever had a chick that I would call wild type... my females are darker down the middle of their backs but not what anyone would call wild type... at least again i wouldn't... I do breed much as you describe but to get the first good male hampbar I culled more than 72 chicks... but I did have one hatch where I had NO females worth breeding... so to me you do have to know what you are looking for.. and breed just that....
Good info thanks nicalandia....
thanks...


Keith
SC
USA

 

[nicalandia]

Maybe it was just the New Hampshires I had when I started my breeding but I don't think I have ever had a chick that I would call wild type... my females are darker down the middle of their backs but not what anyone would call wild type... at least again i wouldn't... I do breed much as you describe but to get the first good male hampbar I culled more than 72 chicks... but I did have one hatch where I had NO females worth breeding... so to me you do have to know what you are looking for.. and breed just that....
Good info thanks nicalandia....
thanks...


Keith
SC
USA

so you crossed NH to Hampbars and never got a wildtype looking chick? thats the issue I'm am talking about, wheaten is such a problematic e allele. Tim Adkerson has cross wheaten and birchen based birds and guess what? the chicks came out looking wheaten looking with black stripes running donw their backs..


here two wheaten heterozygotes, one showing some strips and the other not hatch mate eWh/e+



here wildtype wheaten heterozygotes that look right in the middle between wheaten and wildtype





here my own wheaten Heterozytes eWh/e+, father is ER/eWh mother is e+/e+ I got a one wheaten looking chick and two wildtype looking chicks and one black chick. the wheaten looking chick is eWh/e+ the same as the wildtype looking chicks and the black looking chick is ER/e+ birchen wiltype heterozygote

 

[rc50]

If the New Hampshires were pure wheaten... and the Barred Rock used to obtain the barring genes ... was pure for extended black... why would you get a wild type at all? simple because all chickens stem from a wild type... ?


Keith
SC
USA

 

[Makomd]

I would say all is not correct. All birds came from E -Extended Black, Birchen ER, duckwing e+, Brown eb, or Wheaton eWh. All variations of color on the e allele came from these five bases. Lots of other factors can contribute as well.

 

[nicalandia]

If the New Hampshires were pure wheaten... and the Barred Rock used to obtain the barring genes ... was pure for extended black... why would you get a wild type at all? simple because all chickens stem from a wild type... ?


Keith
SC
USA

Extended black is "The" most dominant e allele so, no, a E/e+ or E/eWh chick will be black at hatch

 

[rc50]

But if you breed such a E/e+ or E/ewh male back to a pure wheaten female... where would you get a wild type from.. ? I guess I am asking where would the wild type come from given the make up of the parents genes used.. to make up a Hampbar or a Rhodebar for that matter... ?


Keith
SC
USA

 

[Makomd]

Orignally for the Rhodebar it would have likely come from the Brussbar (Brown Sussex cross).

 

[Makomd]

I better clear something up regarding the Brown Sussex. Brown Sussex is just the hobby name, people called it brown as it is brown in color, but it is actually an e+ (partridge/duckwing) not an eb bird as the chicks have the wild type down and the male clearly shows the duckwing appearance.

 

[rc50]

So true the first strain that was created by Punnett and Peace used a Brussbar... but the Rhodebar was created several times in the UK by different breeders... and you would not need it at all to create one... from the research i have done the use of another Autosexing breed in the creation of another was simply done to make the process faster... it cuts it down from at least four years to about two years....


Keith
SC
USA

 

[Makomd]

As you probably read through most of this forum, I was working on the Rhodebar as well from Barred Rocks and RIR. (Still have the Rooster too pretty to cull). There was no way I was going to get the true wild type down out of it. I did hatch some that had some striping on their backs (more old type RIR) that looked similar to wild type striping but did not have the eye liner and the striping was not as defined.

By the way that rooster in your avatar is gorgeous.