The Rhodebar thread!

[RedRidge]

When people ask me what my goals are i show them my best HRIR cock and hens and and say "picture that but barred and autosexed." Brick shape, yellow legs but with horn color on both legs and break, correct tail angles... etc. Geesh just getting those tails down and getting some brick shape would be a vast improvement.
Brick shape is one of the highest things on my breeder priority list.

 

[melroseladi]

When people ask me what my goals are i show them my best HRIR cock and hens and and say "picture that but barred and autosexed." Brick shape, yellow legs but with horn color on both legs and break, correct tail angles... etc. Geesh just getting those tails down and getting some brick shape would be a vast improvement.
Brick shape is one of the highest things on my breeder priority list.

Amen to that. I was sitting watching my F1's this morning and saw that my first hatched, who is my darkest wildtype markings, and darkest color, has it's tail starting to point to the sky. I thought to myself, how the heck am I going to get those tails to a better angle. Now I know to breed a Cock bird with a high tail to a hen with a low tail to get chicks (hopefully) with better set tails. Now problem is while Rhodie has a high tail my HRIR hens have beautifully angled teepee tails. So I have to figure out how to offset Rhodie's high tail in his chicks. I am going to switch out my hens that are in with Rhodie with 2 others next month and see what I get.

Penny

 

[michaelf]

I agree with you both. I should have stated what I meant about "good line". Was birds that someone has been working with that are better than average. I wanted a step above the norm. I understand they need work like all breeds do. A non stop cull to keep the better qualities. I just want the better qualities in them. Sounds like you have a great plan with using the HRIR qualities ,That would be a really beautiful bird. I did not mean to offend anyone by saying "good line." You already stated that people sell them just to make a buck. I do not want to be one of those victims. It sounds like , by your reaction , to my post that you have great birds. I applaud you for your efforts and time to work with this breed. That is why I was asking on this thread hoping to find a pair about the age I am wanting. That's all.

 

[melroseladi]

I agree with you both. I should have stated what I meant about "good line". Was birds that someone has been working with that are better than average. I wanted a step above the norm. I understand they need work like all breeds do. A non stop cull to keep the better qualities. I just want the better qualities in them. Sounds like you have a great plan with using the HRIR qualities ,That would be a really beautiful bird. I did not mean to offend anyone by saying "good line." You already stated that people sell them just to make a buck. I do not want to be one of those victims. It sounds like , by your reaction , to my post that you have great birds. I applaud you for your efforts and time to work with this breed. That is why I was asking on this thread hoping to find a pair about the age I am wanting. That's all.

No offense taken by me. I just hate the thought of people paying top dollar expecting to get something that they are not going to get. It stinks and puts you a big step backwards (happened to me when getting started with my HRIR). Honestly I don't think that the Rhodebars have been available in the US long enough to see any major improvements at this point, especially since it's only been a year since some so called Rhodebars were found to be laying green/blue eggs.

There are a few of us on this board who have taken on the project of improving the breed and I highly encourage anybody interested in Rhodebar to jump on the wagon and join us in taking on this project, and goodness knows the Rhodebar needs as many dedicated people as possible.

I personally don't think that there has been enough generations of selective breeding as of yet to have seen any major improvements and most people that do have any quality hens and/or roosters are more then likely going to hang on to them. I would suggest trying to find the best you can get your hands on (at least a Rooster) and get some good quality HRIR and take it from there.

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

No offense taken here either. I wish more folks would jump on board. But Penny is right... The best any of us have been able to do at this point is to perpetuate or best ones and not breed the others.
Although a few of us have F1s on the ground that's about as far as most have gotten.
I was original planning F2s and BC1s Fir a year from now but am goingi can hit that point this coming fall.

 

[nicalandia]

I wonder How close to the HRIR standar are the H. Delawares? or are they closer to the Barred Rock Type? a Rhodebar Male cross to Delaware female would produce gold based e+/eWh females that are also Co/Co Columbian,

 

[melroseladi]

Marvin I don't know about the genetics of the Delaware but from everything I have read about them is that they have been extremely poorly bred, about to the point of extinction. Trying to find quality Delawares would be a challenge and you may end up worse off then crossing the Rhodebar to a Production Red.

There are a few members of BYC who are working on the Delawares to try and bring back some decent lines.

Penny

 

[RedRidge]

I'm toying with going to this seminar... Does anyone know anything about the presenter?

http://www.sustainablepoultrynetwor...-the-key-to-successful-breeding-morganton-nc/

 

[Makomd]

I'm toying with going to this seminar... Does anyone know anything about the presenter?

http://www.sustainablepoultrynetwor...-the-key-to-successful-breeding-morganton-nc/

Yup Grant is pretty knowledgeable. Has written several books and writes for several magazines in the Europe. When you pay for his monthly newsletter though, he has a hard time realizing that monthly means once a month not once a quarter or whenever time permits. Needless to say I like his writing, but am kind of not paying for anything from him again, lol.

Actually if you become a member I think you get a discount for the seminar. www.gbpoultry.com

 

[Makomd]

I'm not really sure, tried to find some info on the SOP of Delawares. I imagine we will have to stick with HRIR though as the main sticking points seem to be brick shape, lower held tail, and horn in beak and legs. Not sure if Delaware will carry the shape, then again I doubt I have ever seen a Heritage Delaware.